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All the security in the world won't protect Google's servers from a subpeona, and no black hat on the planet can break into my wallet without being in immediate

by gloob 17y ago

All the security in the world won't protect Google's servers from a subpeona, and no black hat on the planet can break into my wallet without being in immediate physical proximity to me.

stanleydrew 17y ago
Are you suggesting your personal computer is somehow immune to subpoenas?
- orangecat 17y ago
  Your personal computer is less likely to be compromised as part of a fishing expedition, like when the feds tried to get Google to turn over an entire week's worth of search history to help them defend of one of their "for the children" laws. I could easily see them demanding access to all Google Docs containing certain keywords.
  - ErrantX 17y ago
    > I could easily see them demanding access to all Google Docs containing certain keywords. IANAL but I have experience in this rough area. That is pure scare mongering and I don't think there is even the remotest possibility they would get away with it. If they even tried Google would wrap them in counter-defence so fast it would be funny. Also, for the record, your search history may be criminally suggestive but it is not something they could use to actually prosecute you (this is something I do know about). They still need a subpeona on your personal machine :) Fishing is expensive; forces tend not to do it too much (despite what the politico's want to suggest otherwise). :)
ErrantX 17y ago
Can you resist a subpeona on your wallet? This is somewhat a non-argument because subpeona's are easy to serve against you now. THe argument that they might be easier to serve on a company with no emotional attachment to you is countered by the fact that they have a much much bigger legal pocket and a desire to keep a "good" image to the public (by refusing banal subpoena's). As to: > and no black hat on the planet can break into my wallet without being in immediate physical proximity to me. Maybe not. But any old pickpocket on the street can. Indeed there are more people that can steal your wallet than can break into Google's servers :)
- ericd 17y ago
  But every person who can break into a server can affect orders of magnitude more people. Expected value may still be less, just saying.

by gloob 17y ago

All the security in the world won't protect Google's servers from a subpeona, and no black hat on the planet can break into my wallet without being in immediate physical proximity to me.

stanleydrew 17y ago

Are you suggesting your personal computer is somehow immune to subpoenas?

orangecat 17y ago
Your personal computer is less likely to be compromised as part of a fishing expedition, like when the feds tried to get Google to turn over an entire week's worth of search history to help them defend of one of their "for the children" laws. I could easily see them demanding access to all Google Docs containing certain keywords.
- ErrantX 17y ago
  > I could easily see them demanding access to all Google Docs containing certain keywords. IANAL but I have experience in this rough area. That is pure scare mongering and I don't think there is even the remotest possibility they would get away with it. If they even tried Google would wrap them in counter-defence so fast it would be funny. Also, for the record, your search history may be criminally suggestive but it is not something they could use to actually prosecute you (this is something I do know about). They still need a subpeona on your personal machine :) Fishing is expensive; forces tend not to do it too much (despite what the politico's want to suggest otherwise). :)

ErrantX 17y ago

Can you resist a subpeona on your wallet? This is somewhat a non-argument because subpeona's are easy to serve against you now. THe argument that they might be easier to serve on a company with no emotional attachment to you is countered by the fact that they have a much much bigger legal pocket and a desire to keep a "good" image to the public (by refusing banal subpoena's). As to: > and no black hat on the planet can break into my wallet without being in immediate physical proximity to me. Maybe not. But any old pickpocket on the street can. Indeed there are more people that can steal your wallet than can break into Google's servers :)

ericd 17y ago
But every person who can break into a server can affect orders of magnitude more people. Expected value may still be less, just saying.