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John Carmack's VR Script Live Coding Session at Oculus Connect [video]

135 points by _pius 11y ago

CyberDildonics 11y ago
Does this not work for anyone else? It say connected and then nothing changes. I don't see anywhere to click to get the stream or whatever this is supposed to be.
- soegaard 11y ago
  Works in Chrome.
codemac 11y ago
> For video, please install Flash or try Safari. Thanks, but no thanks.
- AtticHacker 11y ago
  +1, is live streaming really that difficult to do with HTML5?
  - lispit 11y ago
    Yes. https://stackoverflow.com/questions/21921790/best-approach-to-real-time-http-streaming-to-html5-video-client https://stackoverflow.com/questions/21921790/best-approach-t...
    - AtticHacker 11y ago
      The more you know :). I guess we're still not there yet. Need to remind myself to look this video up later once it's done. Thanks for the link!
    - Thaxll 11y ago
      Twitch and Youtube do it well so...
      - lispit 11y ago
        Twitch is still Flash, though the interface has been converted to HTML+JS. http://blog.twitch.tv/2015/07/video-player-controls-now-in-html/ http://blog.twitch.tv/2015/07/video-player-controls-now-in-h...
        doppelganger27 11y ago
        Yeah, it's still flash video today, but Twitch announced today they plan to implement HTML5 streaming in Q1 2016 http://www.engadget.com/2015/09/25/twitch-html5-whisper-twitchcon/ http://www.engadget.com/2015/09/25/twitch-html5-whisper-twit...
  - protomyth 11y ago
    yes, oh heck yes. I gave up after trying Adobe Media Server and just stream to youtube with the tricaster and let them do the work. If your looking for a "take my money" project, an easy streaming solution would be an amazing thing.
yngccc 11y ago
Anyway to watch from the beginning?
- Gonzih 11y ago
  I think keynote will be later avaialble somewhere on oculus related channels.
- deleted 11y ago
  [deleted]
Gonzih 11y ago
Nice! Love that entire protocol is S-expression based. Even js library just generates S-expressions.
rayalez 11y ago
Awesome! Can't wait to play with it.
davexunit 11y ago
A bit of the VrScript "hello world" code: https://twitter.com/CorvusVR/status/647458964339232768 https://twitter.com/CorvusVR/status/647458964339232768
- deevus 11y ago
  Would love to read the finished code. EDIT: He posts the source to the web at 40 mins. Anyone got the link?
_pius 11y ago
Here's some early code that John posted to the Racket group in June: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/racket-users/RFlh0o6l3Ls/8InN7uz-Mv4J https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/racket-users/RFlh0o6l3...
- protomyth 11y ago
  Wow, some of those responses are just painful. I guess even a programmer's programmer cannot please everyone.
  - someotheracct7 11y ago
    I'm always utterly blown away by the humility that John shows in his questions and his answers. The development world would be a better place with a much larger proportion of developers like him. I've worked with some real ego-centric assholes that think of themselves as rock-star developers yet probably haven't done a tenth of what this guy has done.
ser_tyrion 11y ago
Vid of talk on yt: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMItsZq_n20 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMItsZq_n20
- port6667 11y ago
  Thank you. Am i the only one still on a desktop? I can't stand shit video players with no progress bar and no volume control.
  - dang 11y ago
    Ok, we changed to that URL from https://www.periscope.tv/w/1MYxNbWRavLxw https://www.periscope.tv/w/1MYxNbWRavLxw.
  - protomyth 11y ago
    The lack of volume control seems to be getting more and more common. I guess developer forget people still have speakers attacked that require manual intervention (thanks Apple for disable speaker volume control for non-Apple displays).
undershirt 11y ago
Thanks for posting! Great to hear him talking about this.
deleted 11y ago
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loopdoend 11y ago
If you're switching spaces a lot on OS X, check out TotalSpaces2: http://totalspaces.binaryage.com/ http://totalspaces.binaryage.com/ It allows you to configure space switching so it's instant with no animation. I find the sliding animation distracting and superfluous.
- justinsaccount 11y ago
  It's infuriating that OS X doesn't have an option to turn off animations by default. I'm sure Total Spaces is nice, but I refuse to pay money for what should be a basic OS feature.
  - meatysnapper 11y ago
    I've given up and just gotten used to it. I loathe Apple's desktop management system, but here we are :( I stopped using TotalSpaces a while back to some bugs (cannot remember which, but did contact them).
Arjuna 11y ago
What a great ending to that video [1]. Attendee: "The last 20 years of my life, you've been such an inspiration to me. I've had some times of darkness, and... it's been amazing. Today's my birthday. I would love to like, go up there, and if someone could take a picture of me with you, that's all I ask, thank you." [Audience applause...] John: "Come on up." I hope that, one day, I can have an impact like that on someone's life. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMItsZq_n20&t=3930 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMItsZq_n20&t=3930
CountHackulus 11y ago
And no one remembers VRML. Probably for good reason.
- fezz 11y ago
  One of the VRML co-authors, Gavin Anderson went on to be one of the lead developers of bitcoin... arguable much more important than VR.
- DiThi 11y ago
  VRML is basically an HTML-like format for storing 3D assets. There have been a bunch of XML-based formats created in the following 2 decades, the most used being COLLADA. There are two types of COLLADA compatibility: the ones that uses the official SDK and the ones that don't for licensing reasons such as Blender (all attempts at implementing COLLADA have been painful). Neither can implement the full standard. Overly engineered standards aside, reading and writing XML for meshes and the like is a waste of computational resources and space.
versteegen 11y ago
"If Mojang lets me back into the codebase I'm going to be working on Minecraft as my top priority"

135 points by _pius 11y ago

Does this not work for anyone else? It say connected and then nothing changes. I don't see anywhere to click to get the stream or whatever this is supposed to be.

soegaard 11y ago
Works in Chrome.

codemac 11y ago

> For video, please install Flash or try Safari. Thanks, but no thanks.

AtticHacker 11y ago
+1, is live streaming really that difficult to do with HTML5?
- lispit 11y ago
  Yes. https://stackoverflow.com/questions/21921790/best-approach-to-real-time-http-streaming-to-html5-video-client https://stackoverflow.com/questions/21921790/best-approach-t...
  - AtticHacker 11y ago
    The more you know :). I guess we're still not there yet. Need to remind myself to look this video up later once it's done. Thanks for the link!
  - Thaxll 11y ago
    Twitch and Youtube do it well so...
    - lispit 11y ago
      Twitch is still Flash, though the interface has been converted to HTML+JS. http://blog.twitch.tv/2015/07/video-player-controls-now-in-html/ http://blog.twitch.tv/2015/07/video-player-controls-now-in-h...
      - doppelganger27 11y ago
        Yeah, it's still flash video today, but Twitch announced today they plan to implement HTML5 streaming in Q1 2016 http://www.engadget.com/2015/09/25/twitch-html5-whisper-twitchcon/ http://www.engadget.com/2015/09/25/twitch-html5-whisper-twit...
- protomyth 11y ago
  yes, oh heck yes. I gave up after trying Adobe Media Server and just stream to youtube with the tricaster and let them do the work. If your looking for a "take my money" project, an easy streaming solution would be an amazing thing.

yngccc 11y ago

Anyway to watch from the beginning?

Gonzih 11y ago
I think keynote will be later avaialble somewhere on oculus related channels.
deleted 11y ago
[deleted]

Gonzih 11y ago

Nice! Love that entire protocol is S-expression based. Even js library just generates S-expressions.

rayalez 11y ago

Awesome! Can't wait to play with it.

davexunit 11y ago

A bit of the VrScript "hello world" code: https://twitter.com/CorvusVR/status/647458964339232768 https://twitter.com/CorvusVR/status/647458964339232768

deevus 11y ago
Would love to read the finished code. EDIT: He posts the source to the web at 40 mins. Anyone got the link?

_pius 11y ago

Here's some early code that John posted to the Racket group in June: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/racket-users/RFlh0o6l3Ls/8InN7uz-Mv4J https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/racket-users/RFlh0o6l3...

protomyth 11y ago
Wow, some of those responses are just painful. I guess even a programmer's programmer cannot please everyone.
- someotheracct7 11y ago
  I'm always utterly blown away by the humility that John shows in his questions and his answers. The development world would be a better place with a much larger proportion of developers like him. I've worked with some real ego-centric assholes that think of themselves as rock-star developers yet probably haven't done a tenth of what this guy has done.

ser_tyrion 11y ago

Vid of talk on yt: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMItsZq_n20 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMItsZq_n20

port6667 11y ago
Thank you. Am i the only one still on a desktop? I can't stand shit video players with no progress bar and no volume control.
- dang 11y ago
  Ok, we changed to that URL from https://www.periscope.tv/w/1MYxNbWRavLxw https://www.periscope.tv/w/1MYxNbWRavLxw.
- protomyth 11y ago
  The lack of volume control seems to be getting more and more common. I guess developer forget people still have speakers attacked that require manual intervention (thanks Apple for disable speaker volume control for non-Apple displays).

undershirt 11y ago

Thanks for posting! Great to hear him talking about this.

deleted 11y ago

[deleted]

loopdoend 11y ago

If you're switching spaces a lot on OS X, check out TotalSpaces2: http://totalspaces.binaryage.com/ http://totalspaces.binaryage.com/ It allows you to configure space switching so it's instant with no animation. I find the sliding animation distracting and superfluous.

justinsaccount 11y ago
It's infuriating that OS X doesn't have an option to turn off animations by default. I'm sure Total Spaces is nice, but I refuse to pay money for what should be a basic OS feature.
- meatysnapper 11y ago
  I've given up and just gotten used to it. I loathe Apple's desktop management system, but here we are :( I stopped using TotalSpaces a while back to some bugs (cannot remember which, but did contact them).

Arjuna 11y ago

What a great ending to that video [1]. Attendee: "The last 20 years of my life, you've been such an inspiration to me. I've had some times of darkness, and... it's been amazing. Today's my birthday. I would love to like, go up there, and if someone could take a picture of me with you, that's all I ask, thank you." [Audience applause...] John: "Come on up." I hope that, one day, I can have an impact like that on someone's life. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMItsZq_n20&t=3930 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMItsZq_n20&t=3930

CountHackulus 11y ago

And no one remembers VRML. Probably for good reason.

fezz 11y ago
One of the VRML co-authors, Gavin Anderson went on to be one of the lead developers of bitcoin... arguable much more important than VR.
DiThi 11y ago
VRML is basically an HTML-like format for storing 3D assets. There have been a bunch of XML-based formats created in the following 2 decades, the most used being COLLADA. There are two types of COLLADA compatibility: the ones that uses the official SDK and the ones that don't for licensing reasons such as Blender (all attempts at implementing COLLADA have been painful). Neither can implement the full standard. Overly engineered standards aside, reading and writing XML for meshes and the like is a waste of computational resources and space.

versteegen 11y ago

"If Mojang lets me back into the codebase I'm going to be working on Minecraft as my top priority"