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> Apple ... doesn’t see the subversion of ads as stealing – which all of us in the real world know it is. What the fuck. I am so sick of seeing this absurd and

by veidr 11y ago

> Apple ... doesn’t see the subversion of ads as stealing – which all of us in the real world know it is. What the fuck. I am so sick of seeing this absurd and obviously false idea repeated. Did a cabal of content producers hire Frank Luntz to redefine basic English words for them?

r00fus 11y ago
Considering the premise of the advertising industry is to subtly manipulate their audience (not unlike the movie industry), why should you be surprised at this framing of the argument?
- veidr 11y ago
  I'm not surprised by the advertising industry's propaganda, just disappointed how widely it has been vacuously parroted in recent days. I thought this issue was settled years ago, when this same argument was been made (and rejected) back when Tivo came out.
monochromatic 11y ago
I glossed over that while skimming the article. How ridiculous. "Anything you do that interferes with my shitty business model is stealing." Whatever you say, Jason.
- jasonmcalacanis 11y ago
  I actually moved to a paid model for launchticker.com and didn't look back, and 99% of the money I've ever made in this life is from being an angel investor (in marketplaces mainly... no ads!). however, the Ad blocking companies are a bit of a fraud, as they're blocking ads then allowing certain advertisers to buy their way back in! Like an extortion racket. However, you should read the whole piece, because I do clearly put in there that it's folks right to do what they want on their desktops/mobile phones. The issue really is the overall approach of apple saying "we're going to impose our distaste for advertising on the world by not only enabling, but endorsing/encouraging this stuff." It's certainly a juicy topic for discussion.
  - monochromatic 11y ago
    > the Ad blocking companies are a bit of a fraud, as they're blocking ads then allowing certain advertisers to buy their way back in! Like an extortion racket. I agree. This is so blatantly shady that I can't believe people actually do it. > It's certainly a juicy topic for discussion. I'll agree with that too.
BrainInAJar 11y ago
Ads are psychological manipulation. If there's an unethical party in this whole debate it's the advertisers, not the blockers. Your ability to get rich is not my ethical concern.

by veidr 11y ago

r00fus 11y ago

Considering the premise of the advertising industry is to subtly manipulate their audience (not unlike the movie industry), why should you be surprised at this framing of the argument?

veidr 11y ago
I'm not surprised by the advertising industry's propaganda, just disappointed how widely it has been vacuously parroted in recent days. I thought this issue was settled years ago, when this same argument was been made (and rejected) back when Tivo came out.

monochromatic 11y ago

I glossed over that while skimming the article. How ridiculous. "Anything you do that interferes with my shitty business model is stealing." Whatever you say, Jason.

jasonmcalacanis 11y ago
I actually moved to a paid model for launchticker.com and didn't look back, and 99% of the money I've ever made in this life is from being an angel investor (in marketplaces mainly... no ads!). however, the Ad blocking companies are a bit of a fraud, as they're blocking ads then allowing certain advertisers to buy their way back in! Like an extortion racket. However, you should read the whole piece, because I do clearly put in there that it's folks right to do what they want on their desktops/mobile phones. The issue really is the overall approach of apple saying "we're going to impose our distaste for advertising on the world by not only enabling, but endorsing/encouraging this stuff." It's certainly a juicy topic for discussion.
- monochromatic 11y ago
  > the Ad blocking companies are a bit of a fraud, as they're blocking ads then allowing certain advertisers to buy their way back in! Like an extortion racket. I agree. This is so blatantly shady that I can't believe people actually do it. > It's certainly a juicy topic for discussion. I'll agree with that too.

BrainInAJar 11y ago

Ads are psychological manipulation. If there's an unethical party in this whole debate it's the advertisers, not the blockers. Your ability to get rich is not my ethical concern.