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Websites also can't spam you with push notifications the way installed apps can, so I strongly prefer them as a user. But I suspect this is one reason companies

Websites also can't spam you with push notifications the way installed apps can, so I strongly prefer them as a user. But I suspect this is one reason companies like apps. I'm not sure whether it's my imagination, but this seems to have gotten a lot worse in the past year or two, and is no longer limited to apps from shady no-name companies. Apps from reputable companies used to try to have some plausible reason related to your actual use of the app for a notification, but lately Yelp and Hotwire have just started brazenly spamming ads unrelated to any activity. So I uninstalled those two, and am now much more resistant to installing new ones.

GauntletWizard 11y ago
There's a web feature for push notifications; I got a dialogue box asking me if I wanted to enable it for Facebook the other day. It was easy enough to push No (since push notifications were one of the reasons I got rid of the @#$%er in the first place), but many people will still get those.
- reubenmorais 11y ago
  The fact that you can choose no is precisely what makes the Web so good. The fact that you can block ads at all, that you can disable JS, that the Tor Browser bundle can be so simple to use, that you can easily get URLs to things, that you can copy text, are all huge benefits of the Web. Ever tried getting a URL to some Facebook content on mobile? The only way that I've found is to "Send as Message" (Facebook for Android only implements sharing inside Facebook, there's no way to share via email or anything like that), choose myself in the contacts list, then go to Messenger, open the link in a browser, and copy the URL from there. It's infuriating.
  - kuschku 11y ago
    You can turn off push notifications for normal apps on Android, too.
    - owencm 11y ago
      But it's opt out vs opt in which is a huge difference.
      - eclipxe 11y ago
        iOS is Opt-In
      - what_ever 11y ago
        Really? Huge difference? I would say about 20% (being generous with that number) of the good apps that I install try to misuse the notification. I don't find it that hard to disable the notifications for them. The benefits of notifications outweigh the spamming by a lot.
- untog 11y ago
  I'm glad the feature exists. I removed the Facebook app from my Android phone and am happy to just receive web notifications now.
mintplant 11y ago
>Websites also can't spam you with push notifications the way installed apps can, so I strongly prefer them as a user. On Android, at least, you can disable notifications on a per-app basis. Press and hold on a notification, touch the icon that appears, and uncheck the notifications checkbox on the next screen.
- stephengillie 11y ago
  This can be done via a checkbox on the app's info page. It's nice to know it can also be done directly from the notification too, that's even more convenient.
  - mintplant 11y ago
    It's the same checkbox - the icon that appears after pressing and holding on the notification takes you to the app's info page.
- izym 11y ago
  I'm not sure it can be done directly from the notification, but on iOS you can also disable notifications per app and specify how it should be displayed (pop up vs at the top etc.) I've also noticed an increasing amount of apps that now also use the notifications for ads. Definitely not what I like to see on my lock screen.
  - zyx321 11y ago
    >I've also noticed an increasing amount of apps that now also use the notifications for ads. Definitely not what I like to see on my lock screen. Once again, Apple is lagging behind by several years ;) This kind of Ad used to be incredibly common on Android for a while, but Google eventually stepped in and banned these sort of apps from the store. Honestly, I'm a little surprised that Apple allows them. http://phandroid.com/2013/09/30/google-play-notification-ads-policy/ http://phandroid.com/2013/09/30/google-play-notification-ads...
    - 11y ago
0x400614 11y ago
I had to kill the My Fitness Pal app on my Android because the notification dispatch was inside some kind of infinite loop where my phonr would not stop vibrating even after disabling notifications in their UI.
dominotw 11y ago
>Websites also can't spam you with push notifications I remember reading about this a while ago; not sure how widely implemented this feature is https://developers.google.com/web/updates/2015/03/push-notificatons-on-the-open-web https://developers.google.com/web/updates/2015/03/push-notif...
- mixonic 11y ago
  Unlike with iOS or Android, in HTML5 invasive APIs (including notifications) are all opt-in. Each permission is granular, instead of needing to choose between granting all permissions an app requires or none. IMO this is a massive improvement. Although you could grant notification access to an app and then it could become a bad actor, I expect on the web you will be able to be far more choosy about granting access than with an app. I believe Android is doing something to bring in granular permissions, there was discussion at Google I/O this year.
  - mrbuttons454 11y ago
    Push notifications are opt-in and granular on iOS as well. You are prompted to approve each permission for each app, push notifications, location services, access to contacts, etc.
finalight 11y ago
>Websites also can't spam you with push notifications the way installed apps can, so I strongly prefer them as a user. But I suspect this is one reason companies like apps poorly maintained or non-efficient backend that didn't take note of whether the user receive a push or not leads to this problem. It's not the app problem itself totall
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GauntletWizard 11y ago

There's a web feature for push notifications; I got a dialogue box asking me if I wanted to enable it for Facebook the other day. It was easy enough to push No (since push notifications were one of the reasons I got rid of the @#$%er in the first place), but many people will still get those.

reubenmorais 11y ago
The fact that you can choose no is precisely what makes the Web so good. The fact that you can block ads at all, that you can disable JS, that the Tor Browser bundle can be so simple to use, that you can easily get URLs to things, that you can copy text, are all huge benefits of the Web. Ever tried getting a URL to some Facebook content on mobile? The only way that I've found is to "Send as Message" (Facebook for Android only implements sharing inside Facebook, there's no way to share via email or anything like that), choose myself in the contacts list, then go to Messenger, open the link in a browser, and copy the URL from there. It's infuriating.
- kuschku 11y ago
  You can turn off push notifications for normal apps on Android, too.
  - owencm 11y ago
    But it's opt out vs opt in which is a huge difference.
    - eclipxe 11y ago
      iOS is Opt-In
    - what_ever 11y ago
      Really? Huge difference? I would say about 20% (being generous with that number) of the good apps that I install try to misuse the notification. I don't find it that hard to disable the notifications for them. The benefits of notifications outweigh the spamming by a lot.
untog 11y ago
I'm glad the feature exists. I removed the Facebook app from my Android phone and am happy to just receive web notifications now.

mintplant 11y ago

>Websites also can't spam you with push notifications the way installed apps can, so I strongly prefer them as a user. On Android, at least, you can disable notifications on a per-app basis. Press and hold on a notification, touch the icon that appears, and uncheck the notifications checkbox on the next screen.

stephengillie 11y ago
This can be done via a checkbox on the app's info page. It's nice to know it can also be done directly from the notification too, that's even more convenient.
- mintplant 11y ago
  It's the same checkbox - the icon that appears after pressing and holding on the notification takes you to the app's info page.
izym 11y ago
I'm not sure it can be done directly from the notification, but on iOS you can also disable notifications per app and specify how it should be displayed (pop up vs at the top etc.) I've also noticed an increasing amount of apps that now also use the notifications for ads. Definitely not what I like to see on my lock screen.
- zyx321 11y ago
  >I've also noticed an increasing amount of apps that now also use the notifications for ads. Definitely not what I like to see on my lock screen. Once again, Apple is lagging behind by several years ;) This kind of Ad used to be incredibly common on Android for a while, but Google eventually stepped in and banned these sort of apps from the store. Honestly, I'm a little surprised that Apple allows them. http://phandroid.com/2013/09/30/google-play-notification-ads-policy/ http://phandroid.com/2013/09/30/google-play-notification-ads...
  - 11y ago

0x400614 11y ago

I had to kill the My Fitness Pal app on my Android because the notification dispatch was inside some kind of infinite loop where my phonr would not stop vibrating even after disabling notifications in their UI.

dominotw 11y ago

>Websites also can't spam you with push notifications I remember reading about this a while ago; not sure how widely implemented this feature is https://developers.google.com/web/updates/2015/03/push-notificatons-on-the-open-web https://developers.google.com/web/updates/2015/03/push-notif...

mixonic 11y ago
Unlike with iOS or Android, in HTML5 invasive APIs (including notifications) are all opt-in. Each permission is granular, instead of needing to choose between granting all permissions an app requires or none. IMO this is a massive improvement. Although you could grant notification access to an app and then it could become a bad actor, I expect on the web you will be able to be far more choosy about granting access than with an app. I believe Android is doing something to bring in granular permissions, there was discussion at Google I/O this year.
- mrbuttons454 11y ago
  Push notifications are opt-in and granular on iOS as well. You are prompted to approve each permission for each app, push notifications, location services, access to contacts, etc.

finalight 11y ago

>Websites also can't spam you with push notifications the way installed apps can, so I strongly prefer them as a user. But I suspect this is one reason companies like apps poorly maintained or non-efficient backend that didn't take note of whether the user receive a push or not leads to this problem. It's not the app problem itself totall

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