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I think there was a much stronger case for the patriarchy existing 41 years ago. I'm not saying it never existed, just that it doesn't exist now. At the time t

I think there was a much stronger case for the patriarchy existing 41 years ago. I'm not saying it never existed, just that it doesn't exist now. At the time the vast majority of men and women didn't have access to consumer credit or higher education. I think a common mistake made in these discussions is to generalize the perks some elite men had to all men. In reality most people (men and women) have always had it pretty rough.

kaitai 11y ago
"Banking on the Unbanked" (behind a paywall, sorry; by Stafford in 1983) says that in the 1970s 60% of Americans had a bank account. All the women in that group had to have a male family member sign for it, remember. 60% of the US population: a firm majority of the population did have access to banking by the 1960s and 1970s, contradicting your statement. Easier to check [1]: in 1970, 55.2 percent of graduating high school men and 48.5 percent of graduating high school women enrolled in college. Again, for men a majority, and close to half for women. A common mistake is to forget how fast (and how slow) history can move. Certainly most people have always had it pretty rough, but my life is easier now that I can get a bank account without my husband's permission. Even one generation ago that wasn't exactly the case. [1] https://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d99/d99t187.asp https://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d99/d99t187.asp
- exstudent2 11y ago
  I was talking about credit, not banking accounts. According to this: https://www.bostonfed.org/education/ledger/ledger04/sprsum/credhistory.pdf https://www.bostonfed.org/education/ledger/ledger04/sprsum/c... > The use of consumer credit had become a fixture of everyday life. In 2000, more than 70 percent of U.S. households had at least one gener- al-purpose credit card — MasterCard, Visa, Optima, or Discover. Thirty years earlier, in 1970, the number was only 16 percent. Your point is well taken about bank accounts though. What you say about history moving fast and slow is very interesting. In this case it seems to have moved very fast. Did you feel you had any trouble getting a bank account as a women in your generation? My wife set up most of our accounts so I can only assume it's not a problem. That is indeed a very large change for one generation. The university enrollment data is very interesting. The data you linked to only goes to 1998 but still shows a 15% increase in enrollment. Even more interesting how the gender ratio has changed: https://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d13/tables/dt13_306.10.asp https://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d13/tables/dt13_306.10.a... 1976: 53% male, 47% female = 6% difference 2012: 43% male, 57% female = 14% difference Women dominate higher education now much more than med did in 1976.

kaitai 11y ago

"Banking on the Unbanked" (behind a paywall, sorry; by Stafford in 1983) says that in the 1970s 60% of Americans had a bank account. All the women in that group had to have a male family member sign for it, remember. 60% of the US population: a firm majority of the population did have access to banking by the 1960s and 1970s, contradicting your statement. Easier to check [1]: in 1970, 55.2 percent of graduating high school men and 48.5 percent of graduating high school women enrolled in college. Again, for men a majority, and close to half for women. A common mistake is to forget how fast (and how slow) history can move. Certainly most people have always had it pretty rough, but my life is easier now that I can get a bank account without my husband's permission. Even one generation ago that wasn't exactly the case. [1] https://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d99/d99t187.asp https://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d99/d99t187.asp

exstudent2 11y ago
I was talking about credit, not banking accounts. According to this: https://www.bostonfed.org/education/ledger/ledger04/sprsum/credhistory.pdf https://www.bostonfed.org/education/ledger/ledger04/sprsum/c... > The use of consumer credit had become a fixture of everyday life. In 2000, more than 70 percent of U.S. households had at least one gener- al-purpose credit card — MasterCard, Visa, Optima, or Discover. Thirty years earlier, in 1970, the number was only 16 percent. Your point is well taken about bank accounts though. What you say about history moving fast and slow is very interesting. In this case it seems to have moved very fast. Did you feel you had any trouble getting a bank account as a women in your generation? My wife set up most of our accounts so I can only assume it's not a problem. That is indeed a very large change for one generation. The university enrollment data is very interesting. The data you linked to only goes to 1998 but still shows a 15% increase in enrollment. Even more interesting how the gender ratio has changed: https://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d13/tables/dt13_306.10.asp https://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d13/tables/dt13_306.10.a... 1976: 53% male, 47% female = 6% difference 2012: 43% male, 57% female = 14% difference Women dominate higher education now much more than med did in 1976.