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> > large amounts of low-quality advertising. > Is there any other kind? I'd say The Deck manages to be high-quality, low-volume advertising. One of their rul

> > large amounts of low-quality advertising. > Is there any other kind? I'd say The Deck manages to be high-quality, low-volume advertising. One of their rules is "our ad is the only ad on the page". http://decknetwork.net/ http://decknetwork.net/ Artisanal ad networks targeted to web workers don't exactly _scale_ to the rest of the ad industry, but non-irritating advertising exists.

mbesto 11y ago
There are a few others who also operate with the same model, but they are generally considered small businesses (or "lifestyle businesses"). Unfortunately these inherently have ceilings to them and market dynamics dictate you will always have someone more greedy who will try to build AdSense-like dominance.
tedunangst 11y ago
This is where the people making the blocklists get stuck. Marcus Aurelius, ad block developer, decides that the deck ads aren't that annoying, don't break the page they're on, are low bandwidth, don't track you, etc. And so MA leaves them out of the list. But everyday he gets 100 bug reports "I still see ads!!!" from users who never want to see a single advertisement on any site ever. What's MA going to do? Probably give up.
- kawera 11y ago
  Or maybe build a "Block this" feature on touching.
  - noreally 11y ago
    They've had that feature in strip clubs for years.
  - tedunangst 11y ago
    The architecture of iOS content blockers seems not to allow that. No information is allowed to flow from safari to the ad block app (to allay concerns that the app itself is spying on you).
- Spivak 11y ago
  Put the user in control?
- Rotten194 11y ago
  Probably mediate in his tent on the virtues of stoic persistence in the face of overwhelming user stupidity.
- newscracker 11y ago
  Just ask the user on first execution if small ads that don't use a lot of bandwidth and that don't track the user should be allowed and leave that as an option in settings. The app could also provide a link to an example site for the user to see what the ad would look like. With iOS 9, it's also easier for the user to get back to the application after viewing the example site/page. I do commend Deck ads for having no cookies, no JavaScript, no counting clicks, etc. It's not a model for the entire web since many marketers want insights and statistics on users, but it definitely works quite well and is used on several popular sites.
rnovak 11y ago
Those aren't video ads. The specific example the GP is referencing says specifically they develop video ads that aren't detectable. to help them deliver video ads in a way that cannot be detected by ad-blocking tools. Literally one of the worst types.
PhasmaFelis 11y ago
I am told that Project Wonderful (https://www.projectwonderful.com/ https://www.projectwonderful.com/) is pretty good. Haven't looked into it deeply myself, though.
bpicolo 11y ago
The real shit ones are mobile websites that do both the following at the same time 1. Giant in your face have-to-close ad. 2. Massive bar at bottom with tiny close button
tomjen3 11y ago
They allow gif ads if i recall and haven't got a way to give feedback (ie your ad is for a bad product).
SmellyGeekBoy 11y ago
> Artisanal ad networks Now I really have heard everything...

mbesto 11y ago

There are a few others who also operate with the same model, but they are generally considered small businesses (or "lifestyle businesses"). Unfortunately these inherently have ceilings to them and market dynamics dictate you will always have someone more greedy who will try to build AdSense-like dominance.

tedunangst 11y ago

This is where the people making the blocklists get stuck. Marcus Aurelius, ad block developer, decides that the deck ads aren't that annoying, don't break the page they're on, are low bandwidth, don't track you, etc. And so MA leaves them out of the list. But everyday he gets 100 bug reports "I still see ads!!!" from users who never want to see a single advertisement on any site ever. What's MA going to do? Probably give up.

kawera 11y ago
Or maybe build a "Block this" feature on touching.
- noreally 11y ago
  They've had that feature in strip clubs for years.
- tedunangst 11y ago
  The architecture of iOS content blockers seems not to allow that. No information is allowed to flow from safari to the ad block app (to allay concerns that the app itself is spying on you).
Spivak 11y ago
Put the user in control?
Rotten194 11y ago
Probably mediate in his tent on the virtues of stoic persistence in the face of overwhelming user stupidity.
newscracker 11y ago
Just ask the user on first execution if small ads that don't use a lot of bandwidth and that don't track the user should be allowed and leave that as an option in settings. The app could also provide a link to an example site for the user to see what the ad would look like. With iOS 9, it's also easier for the user to get back to the application after viewing the example site/page. I do commend Deck ads for having no cookies, no JavaScript, no counting clicks, etc. It's not a model for the entire web since many marketers want insights and statistics on users, but it definitely works quite well and is used on several popular sites.

rnovak 11y ago

Those aren't video ads. The specific example the GP is referencing says specifically they develop video ads that aren't detectable. to help them deliver video ads in a way that cannot be detected by ad-blocking tools. Literally one of the worst types.

PhasmaFelis 11y ago

I am told that Project Wonderful (https://www.projectwonderful.com/ https://www.projectwonderful.com/) is pretty good. Haven't looked into it deeply myself, though.

bpicolo 11y ago

The real shit ones are mobile websites that do both the following at the same time 1. Giant in your face have-to-close ad. 2. Massive bar at bottom with tiny close button

tomjen3 11y ago

They allow gif ads if i recall and haven't got a way to give feedback (ie your ad is for a bad product).

SmellyGeekBoy 11y ago

> Artisanal ad networks Now I really have heard everything...