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I highly doubt this is the way the majority of society views male vs female gender roles in this area. Your egalitarianism is, imo, not demonstrative of the soc

by qrendel 11y ago

I highly doubt this is the way the majority of society views male vs female gender roles in this area. Your egalitarianism is, imo, not demonstrative of the social standard on this issue.

mindslight 11y ago
Eh? My point wasn't specifically egalitarian, but to address this common allusion to "men" being oppressed when they're called out on something. Calling each other out is how people keep each other in check. It sucks really bad until you're 15-25 years old and develop the self confidence to handle things in context. I doubt the people being called out for being too risky are blogging about it.
- Alupis 11y ago
  I believe you may have missed the point - it's not that men feel oppressed when called out on something, or that anyone is being called out at all. It's about how it's socially normal for a man to be expected to walk alone and be "OK", but the opposite is expected of women, even though the potential dangers are the same (and about as likely to occur) for both sexes.
  - mindslight 11y ago
    But you're making your point with an unsupported allusion, and also implying that a man being generally expected to walk alone is somehow a problem. In reality, most adults are expected to walk alone most of the time (where are the parking lot attendants?). Sometimes women get a pass on this expectation, which is primarily a benefit, although not necessarily a wanted one. To the extent this culture encourages women to be weaker and not self-actualize, how significant is this one specific thing compared to the onslaught of commercial advertising doing that exact thing to everyone in every aspect of life? Are car companies oppressing me by tell me I have to drive everywhere? And the culture which reinforces that expectation? In a sense yes. But it's counterproductive to dwell on it rather than simply filing these messages in the "fuck off" bucket.

by qrendel 11y ago

I highly doubt this is the way the majority of society views male vs female gender roles in this area. Your egalitarianism is, imo, not demonstrative of the social standard on this issue.

mindslight 11y ago

Eh? My point wasn't specifically egalitarian, but to address this common allusion to "men" being oppressed when they're called out on something. Calling each other out is how people keep each other in check. It sucks really bad until you're 15-25 years old and develop the self confidence to handle things in context. I doubt the people being called out for being too risky are blogging about it.

Alupis 11y ago
I believe you may have missed the point - it's not that men feel oppressed when called out on something, or that anyone is being called out at all. It's about how it's socially normal for a man to be expected to walk alone and be "OK", but the opposite is expected of women, even though the potential dangers are the same (and about as likely to occur) for both sexes.
- mindslight 11y ago
  But you're making your point with an unsupported allusion, and also implying that a man being generally expected to walk alone is somehow a problem. In reality, most adults are expected to walk alone most of the time (where are the parking lot attendants?). Sometimes women get a pass on this expectation, which is primarily a benefit, although not necessarily a wanted one. To the extent this culture encourages women to be weaker and not self-actualize, how significant is this one specific thing compared to the onslaught of commercial advertising doing that exact thing to everyone in every aspect of life? Are car companies oppressing me by tell me I have to drive everywhere? And the culture which reinforces that expectation? In a sense yes. But it's counterproductive to dwell on it rather than simply filing these messages in the "fuck off" bucket.