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I'm pretty tired of one of these personalities that appear to be a loud voice in the ad blocking conversation. "Ad's don't work on me and I have never ever bee

by brwnll 11y ago

I'm pretty tired of one of these personalities that appear to be a loud voice in the ad blocking conversation. "Ad's don't work on me and I have never ever been positively influenced in any way every by one" This simply makes you, at best, look naive in your believe that your conscious self is responsible for all (or even a majority) of your actions, and at worst, wrong/lying (who remembers everything they've ever purchased and how they came to know about it?)

Nursie 11y ago
>> This simply makes you, at best, look naive in your believe that your conscious self is responsible for all (or even a majority) of your actions And I'm pretty tired of advertising. Incidentally this subconscious effect is one of the best possible reasons to block ads. I think that regardless of commercial considerations, pushing your brand that way is underhand and actually evil. >> wrong/lying (who remembers everything they've ever purchased and how they came to know about it?) I'm not claiming I have always taken this view, so I'm not really required to remember everything I've ever purchased, but I do take the view that our purchases are one of the few powers we consumers have. If I don't like your actions, be those unethical actions taken by the company or intrusive advertising, I won't buy your stuff.
Brakenshire 11y ago
I agree with you about branding adverts, but isn't the purpose of text ads to click through?
yq 11y ago
I am +1 with Nursie. Ad's never work for me, I occasionally turn off ad-blocking to see how google looks like with ADs. None of those advertising will work for fit what I am really looking for. If I want something, I probably know what, where, how, when already. If someone need 24 4tb SSD to setup a Raid, the chance they will get it from an advertiser instead of someone who has well established a logistics channel, reputation over years, excellent return policy, is probably zero. I would love to see Advertisement which I can say:" Wow I must have one." But sadly Google has some more works to do there. Somehow google has solve partially of it: YouTube reviews. They are one of the only few advertisement that work, at least to me.
- pfortuny 11y ago
  Brands are pressed into our brains by constantly pushing them in front of our eyes. And then, when you think of a need, you remember the brand. Nobody ever went to a bank just after reading the ad in the newspaper. But they remembered the brand.
- austenallred 11y ago
  Yet I bet you know who Ford, Geicko, Chevrolet, Coca Cola and McDonalds are, regardless of how much you like their products.
  - yq 11y ago
    I like advertisement. I use Tasla before they are popular; Windows Mobile while they are not in the news steam; The first iPhone; The very first Gen Intel SSD; 64GB rams while 256 MB is the standard, and still can go on. Advertisements in a media act as an amplifier that fit the majority in our social system. Now go back to our topic: Can the Google Ads show me the next SSD? Will it show me the next self-drive car? No it cannot at this stage. But when it can, I will desperate or probably pay to read those advertisements.
- chillacy 11y ago
  When you say "Ads never work for me", you're really saying "I never click on ads". Even if you never interact with ads, they still work on you, because you see them. Modern advertising is built on decades of psychology research, much of it dealing with trust and the importance of repeatedly viewing a brand to build that trust. The guys with an established logistics channel, reputation, 5 star reviews, all have that in part because they've been advertising longer than the new players. This is how all brands enter our mindspace. Even the titans of today started as unknown brands putting ads in magazines yesterday.
octatone2 11y ago
Your argument reads to me to be a stronger reason to continue blocking ads.
Spivak 11y ago
For people that dislike ads the statement, "I have never ever been positively influenced in any way every by one" is literally a definition because if you purchase anything because of an ad you've been made worse off. If you were going to buy it anyway then the ad did nothing, if you weren't then you are now worse off as you bought something you wouldn't have otherwise -- you've been manipulated. From this there is no such thing as a positive ad. Also, he didn't say that ads don't work on him, they certainly do but they're not having the desired effect which makes them worthless to the advertiser. Sure, they get brand recognition but if you consciously make an effort to avoid brands which advertise to you and recommend that others avoid the brand too then you've actually cost the advertiser money, making the ad worthless.
- greiskul 11y ago
  But what if you weren't going to buy it because you were not aware it existed? When you see an ad for an interesting movie and decide to check it out, you go watch it, and love it, are you really worse off? Maybe you see an ad for a new restaurant and decide to check it out. Are you worse off? Aren't these examples of positive ads?
  - Nursie 11y ago
    I like to operate by word of mouth, sometimes online searches (and I'll take reviews over ads any day, even when searching) and by stumbling across things.
  - RodericDay 11y ago
    What if you see the ad, and decide to check the movie out, and it's terrible - a waste of your time and money? What if you see a slick ad for a restaurant, and it turns out the restaurant spends more money on ads than on being a good restaurant, and it is a waste of money? Are you better off?
    - softawre 11y ago
      Wow. He was saying they could be positive. Of course you can come up with a counter-example...

by brwnll 11y ago

Nursie 11y ago

>> This simply makes you, at best, look naive in your believe that your conscious self is responsible for all (or even a majority) of your actions And I'm pretty tired of advertising. Incidentally this subconscious effect is one of the best possible reasons to block ads. I think that regardless of commercial considerations, pushing your brand that way is underhand and actually evil. >> wrong/lying (who remembers everything they've ever purchased and how they came to know about it?) I'm not claiming I have always taken this view, so I'm not really required to remember everything I've ever purchased, but I do take the view that our purchases are one of the few powers we consumers have. If I don't like your actions, be those unethical actions taken by the company or intrusive advertising, I won't buy your stuff.

Brakenshire 11y ago

I agree with you about branding adverts, but isn't the purpose of text ads to click through?

yq 11y ago

I am +1 with Nursie. Ad's never work for me, I occasionally turn off ad-blocking to see how google looks like with ADs. None of those advertising will work for fit what I am really looking for. If I want something, I probably know what, where, how, when already. If someone need 24 4tb SSD to setup a Raid, the chance they will get it from an advertiser instead of someone who has well established a logistics channel, reputation over years, excellent return policy, is probably zero. I would love to see Advertisement which I can say:" Wow I must have one." But sadly Google has some more works to do there. Somehow google has solve partially of it: YouTube reviews. They are one of the only few advertisement that work, at least to me.

pfortuny 11y ago
Brands are pressed into our brains by constantly pushing them in front of our eyes. And then, when you think of a need, you remember the brand. Nobody ever went to a bank just after reading the ad in the newspaper. But they remembered the brand.
austenallred 11y ago
Yet I bet you know who Ford, Geicko, Chevrolet, Coca Cola and McDonalds are, regardless of how much you like their products.
- yq 11y ago
  I like advertisement. I use Tasla before they are popular; Windows Mobile while they are not in the news steam; The first iPhone; The very first Gen Intel SSD; 64GB rams while 256 MB is the standard, and still can go on. Advertisements in a media act as an amplifier that fit the majority in our social system. Now go back to our topic: Can the Google Ads show me the next SSD? Will it show me the next self-drive car? No it cannot at this stage. But when it can, I will desperate or probably pay to read those advertisements.
chillacy 11y ago
When you say "Ads never work for me", you're really saying "I never click on ads". Even if you never interact with ads, they still work on you, because you see them. Modern advertising is built on decades of psychology research, much of it dealing with trust and the importance of repeatedly viewing a brand to build that trust. The guys with an established logistics channel, reputation, 5 star reviews, all have that in part because they've been advertising longer than the new players. This is how all brands enter our mindspace. Even the titans of today started as unknown brands putting ads in magazines yesterday.

octatone2 11y ago

Your argument reads to me to be a stronger reason to continue blocking ads.

Spivak 11y ago

For people that dislike ads the statement, "I have never ever been positively influenced in any way every by one" is literally a definition because if you purchase anything because of an ad you've been made worse off. If you were going to buy it anyway then the ad did nothing, if you weren't then you are now worse off as you bought something you wouldn't have otherwise -- you've been manipulated. From this there is no such thing as a positive ad. Also, he didn't say that ads don't work on him, they certainly do but they're not having the desired effect which makes them worthless to the advertiser. Sure, they get brand recognition but if you consciously make an effort to avoid brands which advertise to you and recommend that others avoid the brand too then you've actually cost the advertiser money, making the ad worthless.

greiskul 11y ago
But what if you weren't going to buy it because you were not aware it existed? When you see an ad for an interesting movie and decide to check it out, you go watch it, and love it, are you really worse off? Maybe you see an ad for a new restaurant and decide to check it out. Are you worse off? Aren't these examples of positive ads?
- Nursie 11y ago
  I like to operate by word of mouth, sometimes online searches (and I'll take reviews over ads any day, even when searching) and by stumbling across things.
- RodericDay 11y ago
  What if you see the ad, and decide to check the movie out, and it's terrible - a waste of your time and money? What if you see a slick ad for a restaurant, and it turns out the restaurant spends more money on ads than on being a good restaurant, and it is a waste of money? Are you better off?
  - softawre 11y ago
    Wow. He was saying they could be positive. Of course you can come up with a counter-example...