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More than that, It's very interesting to look at one of the (numerous) metal subgenre and see how the various band are mapped, defining tendencies in the subgen

by Drup 11y ago

More than that, It's very interesting to look at one of the (numerous) metal subgenre and see how the various band are mapped, defining tendencies in the subgenre. It works very well in power and doom metal, in particular.

317070 11y ago
It puts "breakcore"[1] between "boy band" and "new romantic". I do see some similar genres in the area (deep breakcore, intelligent dance music), but I reckon a dimension has been squashed which was essential in positioning the entire area of music around IDM. They lie scattered between genres of music with which they have little to no connection. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JF7qmAMkksA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JF7qmAMkksA
- emodendroket 11y ago
  The blurb doesn't seem to imply that genres close together are in any way related; just that they have some similar characteristics. It doesn't strike me as entirely improbable that there are some surprises there.
  - glennmcdonald 11y ago
    That's right. This map begins as a scatter-plot, not a force-network, so particularly in the middle of the map individual pairwise distances in these two dimensions can be perfect or misleading. The readability adjustments to keep the names from landing on top of each other also distort the data in a technical sense. But if you go into a genre's own page and scroll down, there is a little inset map of that genre's immediate neighborhood. That view is restricted to the most similar genres according to ALL the dimensions, so breakcore's neighborhood, for example (http://everynoise.com/engenremap-breakcore.html http://everynoise.com/engenremap-breakcore.html) doesn't include "boy band" at all.
    - emodendroket 11y ago
      Still plenty of surprises... I like enka a lot but I wouldn't have anticipated any of the things it's associated with... "deep filthstep?" http://everynoise.com/engenremap-enka.html http://everynoise.com/engenremap-enka.html edit: Oh, I'm probably looking at it backwards and those are the least similar genres. "Classic Chinese pop" and various folk musics are less surprising.
      - glennmcdonald 11y ago
        Yeah, the top one is the neighborhood, the inverted-color one is the opposite neighborhood (http://www.furia.com/page.cgi?type=log&id=393 http://www.furia.com/page.cgi?type=log&id=393)...

by Drup 11y ago

317070 11y ago

It puts "breakcore"[1] between "boy band" and "new romantic". I do see some similar genres in the area (deep breakcore, intelligent dance music), but I reckon a dimension has been squashed which was essential in positioning the entire area of music around IDM. They lie scattered between genres of music with which they have little to no connection. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JF7qmAMkksA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JF7qmAMkksA

emodendroket 11y ago
The blurb doesn't seem to imply that genres close together are in any way related; just that they have some similar characteristics. It doesn't strike me as entirely improbable that there are some surprises there.
- glennmcdonald 11y ago
  That's right. This map begins as a scatter-plot, not a force-network, so particularly in the middle of the map individual pairwise distances in these two dimensions can be perfect or misleading. The readability adjustments to keep the names from landing on top of each other also distort the data in a technical sense. But if you go into a genre's own page and scroll down, there is a little inset map of that genre's immediate neighborhood. That view is restricted to the most similar genres according to ALL the dimensions, so breakcore's neighborhood, for example (http://everynoise.com/engenremap-breakcore.html http://everynoise.com/engenremap-breakcore.html) doesn't include "boy band" at all.
  - emodendroket 11y ago
    Still plenty of surprises... I like enka a lot but I wouldn't have anticipated any of the things it's associated with... "deep filthstep?" http://everynoise.com/engenremap-enka.html http://everynoise.com/engenremap-enka.html edit: Oh, I'm probably looking at it backwards and those are the least similar genres. "Classic Chinese pop" and various folk musics are less surprising.
    - glennmcdonald 11y ago
      Yeah, the top one is the neighborhood, the inverted-color one is the opposite neighborhood (http://www.furia.com/page.cgi?type=log&id=393 http://www.furia.com/page.cgi?type=log&id=393)...