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I give it about five minutes before The Guardian publishes an editorial entitled: "Ellen Pao lawsuit ends but will not slow fight for gender equality in Silicon

I give it about five minutes before The Guardian publishes an editorial entitled: "Ellen Pao lawsuit ends but will not slow fight for gender equality in Silicon Valley."

exstudent2 11y ago
Amusing but sadly apt. The most interesting aspect of this case was the extreme difference between how it was reported and what the jury found to be factual. It went so far that the NYT ended up editing stories after they were posted and admitting to changing their strategy to no longer report "just the facts": http://newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/clay-waters/2015/07/19/ny-times-public-editor-admits-paper-has-moved-away-just-facts http://newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/clay-waters/2015/07/19/ny-ti... So many outlets uniformly reported that Pao WAS the victim of gender discrimination and she WAS on a crusade to represent women in tech. Not an exaggeration, those thing were actually being said. I have yet to see any of the outlets that reported this angle backtrack, even after the verdict came out against Pao.
- gnoway 11y ago
  NB: the linked article concerns reporting about Pao's ouster from Reddit, not her court case.
steve19 11y ago
The Guardian is doing very well. Thier articles/journalists have a left world view and do not pretend they are neutral. I don't agree with a lot of their editorial opinions, but I can respect their strategy. It is refreshing compared to the NYT and other media organizations that pretend they are unbiased/neutral, while promoting some sort of specific world view.
- alansmitheebk 11y ago
  Their news coverage is pretty decent. I read it daily. But their opinion pieces are laughably stupid. Just this past summer they did a piece about how air conditioning is sexist. Every day Jessica Valenti writes something about the Pro Life movement and calls it the "Anti Choice" movement, which is a like Fox News calling banksters "Job Creators." Syreeta what's her face did a piece the other day about how film stock is racist (she apparently doesn't know how to set her camera aperture properly and blames it on film not being designed to capture black faces). It's a fucking joke.
  - a_bonobo 11y ago
    > Just this past summer they did a piece about how air conditioning is sexist. I wondered about that article and had a look: http://www.theguardian.com/money/shortcuts/2015/aug/04/new-cold-war-why-women-chilly-at-work-air-conditioning http://www.theguardian.com/money/shortcuts/2015/aug/04/new-c... If you read through the article, it's clearly a joke to them. >25C it is, then. Fine, as long as you’re aware that means more men wearing shorts in the office during summer.
    - alansmitheebk 11y ago
      I agree that there was a bit of a tongue in cheek tone to the piece. For example, the title referenced the cold war. That being said, given the larger context of The Guardian's opinion pieces and their tendency towards feminist demagoguery, I read it as "I'm kidding!" (but I'm kind of serious, too.) There was also a mention of the higher temperature being better for the environment, which reinforced the "I'm only half joking" subtext for me.
- alansmitheebk 11y ago
  BTW, I agree with your assessment of the NYT. You might enjoy the book What Liberal Media? by Eric Alterman.

I give it about five minutes before The Guardian publishes an editorial entitled: "Ellen Pao lawsuit ends but will not slow fight for gender equality in Silicon Valley."

exstudent2 11y ago

Amusing but sadly apt. The most interesting aspect of this case was the extreme difference between how it was reported and what the jury found to be factual. It went so far that the NYT ended up editing stories after they were posted and admitting to changing their strategy to no longer report "just the facts": http://newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/clay-waters/2015/07/19/ny-times-public-editor-admits-paper-has-moved-away-just-facts http://newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/clay-waters/2015/07/19/ny-ti... So many outlets uniformly reported that Pao WAS the victim of gender discrimination and she WAS on a crusade to represent women in tech. Not an exaggeration, those thing were actually being said. I have yet to see any of the outlets that reported this angle backtrack, even after the verdict came out against Pao.

gnoway 11y ago
NB: the linked article concerns reporting about Pao's ouster from Reddit, not her court case.

steve19 11y ago

The Guardian is doing very well. Thier articles/journalists have a left world view and do not pretend they are neutral. I don't agree with a lot of their editorial opinions, but I can respect their strategy. It is refreshing compared to the NYT and other media organizations that pretend they are unbiased/neutral, while promoting some sort of specific world view.

alansmitheebk 11y ago
Their news coverage is pretty decent. I read it daily. But their opinion pieces are laughably stupid. Just this past summer they did a piece about how air conditioning is sexist. Every day Jessica Valenti writes something about the Pro Life movement and calls it the "Anti Choice" movement, which is a like Fox News calling banksters "Job Creators." Syreeta what's her face did a piece the other day about how film stock is racist (she apparently doesn't know how to set her camera aperture properly and blames it on film not being designed to capture black faces). It's a fucking joke.
- a_bonobo 11y ago
  > Just this past summer they did a piece about how air conditioning is sexist. I wondered about that article and had a look: http://www.theguardian.com/money/shortcuts/2015/aug/04/new-cold-war-why-women-chilly-at-work-air-conditioning http://www.theguardian.com/money/shortcuts/2015/aug/04/new-c... If you read through the article, it's clearly a joke to them. >25C it is, then. Fine, as long as you’re aware that means more men wearing shorts in the office during summer.
  - alansmitheebk 11y ago
    I agree that there was a bit of a tongue in cheek tone to the piece. For example, the title referenced the cold war. That being said, given the larger context of The Guardian's opinion pieces and their tendency towards feminist demagoguery, I read it as "I'm kidding!" (but I'm kind of serious, too.) There was also a mention of the higher temperature being better for the environment, which reinforced the "I'm only half joking" subtext for me.
alansmitheebk 11y ago
BTW, I agree with your assessment of the NYT. You might enjoy the book What Liberal Media? by Eric Alterman.