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I wouldn't say pretty much everywhere. Probably only in Amsterdam. In Berlin it's mostly: cars | bikes | parking | pedestrians (raised sidewalk). In Warsaw (f

by odiroot 11y ago

idlewords 11y ago
Warsaw is a pretty terrible example to follow. The bike lanes zigzag from road to sidewalk and back with no reason, and do things like deliver you into a huge roundabout where the bike lane ends without warning.
- odiroot 11y ago
  As a fellow Pole you probably know that bike lanes are not a part of well-designed infrastructure here but a political tool for local elections.
hyperion2010 11y ago
Places I've been in the UK get this right, as well as Erlangen and Koln, and from google maps it seems like Munich gets it right as well. A rather small sample, but I suspect that the traffic engineering generalizes.
TillE 11y ago
You're wrong about Berlin. The vast majority of bike lanes are part of the sidewalk. They're really haphazard and frequently blocked (Amsterdam is probably the ideal, IMO), but cars are parked between them and the road.
- odiroot 11y ago
  That's a bold statement. Probably it depends on the district. Most of my commute the paths are a part of the car lane.
IkmoIkmo 11y ago
Yeah it really depends to be honest. Born n raised in Amsterdam and if I look out the window, there's parking separated lanes, but if I cycle down my street and take a right, I get merely curb-separated lanes, and if I take another right I'd be sharing (without even dotted lines) the street with cars (although for these streets there are lots of speed bumps and speed limits and one-direction traffic, mostly for people living there to park their cars rather than actual travel). So it's far from 'everywhere' in Amsterdam. It's hard to say how much of the cycle lanes are parking separated. I feel like it's quite a bit but then I also look at streets like the marathonweg or stadionweg (check google maps street view) which have been peds | parking | bikes -dottedlines- cars, since forever and still are to this day, despite there being room to switch the middle two around. But it's quite clear that wherever possible, this is what streets are being modified to all the time, construction just finished infront of my dad's house to modify the street for improved safety for example. I wouldn't be surprised if say the marathonweg and stadionweg would look more like the apollolaan before 2020. In the case of the stadionweg it's a little tricky as it's often used to drive through, past the olympic stadium onto the highway, it's pretty damn packed during rushhour so construction isn't a bit tricky to plan.

by odiroot 11y ago

idlewords 11y ago

Warsaw is a pretty terrible example to follow. The bike lanes zigzag from road to sidewalk and back with no reason, and do things like deliver you into a huge roundabout where the bike lane ends without warning.

odiroot 11y ago
As a fellow Pole you probably know that bike lanes are not a part of well-designed infrastructure here but a political tool for local elections.

hyperion2010 11y ago

Places I've been in the UK get this right, as well as Erlangen and Koln, and from google maps it seems like Munich gets it right as well. A rather small sample, but I suspect that the traffic engineering generalizes.

TillE 11y ago

You're wrong about Berlin. The vast majority of bike lanes are part of the sidewalk. They're really haphazard and frequently blocked (Amsterdam is probably the ideal, IMO), but cars are parked between them and the road.

odiroot 11y ago
That's a bold statement. Probably it depends on the district. Most of my commute the paths are a part of the car lane.

IkmoIkmo 11y ago

Yeah it really depends to be honest. Born n raised in Amsterdam and if I look out the window, there's parking separated lanes, but if I cycle down my street and take a right, I get merely curb-separated lanes, and if I take another right I'd be sharing (without even dotted lines) the street with cars (although for these streets there are lots of speed bumps and speed limits and one-direction traffic, mostly for people living there to park their cars rather than actual travel). So it's far from 'everywhere' in Amsterdam. It's hard to say how much of the cycle lanes are parking separated. I feel like it's quite a bit but then I also look at streets like the marathonweg or stadionweg (check google maps street view) which have been peds | parking | bikes -dottedlines- cars, since forever and still are to this day, despite there being room to switch the middle two around. But it's quite clear that wherever possible, this is what streets are being modified to all the time, construction just finished infront of my dad's house to modify the street for improved safety for example. I wouldn't be surprised if say the marathonweg and stadionweg would look more like the apollolaan before 2020. In the case of the stadionweg it's a little tricky as it's often used to drive through, past the olympic stadium onto the highway, it's pretty damn packed during rushhour so construction isn't a bit tricky to plan.