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What DRMed files is the DMCA forcing you to download? You make the decision to engage with companies that use DRM. No one is forcing you. (I don't mean to defen

by GavinB 17y ago

What DRMed files is the DMCA forcing you to download? You make the decision to engage with companies that use DRM. No one is forcing you. (I don't mean to defend the entire DMCA, just the idea that you're being forced to download DRM) "Possession is 9/10ths of the law" is not a useful principle in cases where there is a contract. It seems that you want to force others to not have the option of entering into certain contracts, because you find them distasteful.

stcredzero 17y ago
It seems that you want to force others to not have the option of entering into certain contracts, because you find them distasteful. [citation needed] Really, have I ever asked for legislation? I don't think I did. Please point this out in the thread. My actual position is that DRM and SaaS are two different things, because the former restricts what you can do on machines that you possess. You reply by pointing out that you can simply choose not to participate. However, my fear is that DRM on home computers and laptops will become as widespread as DRM in DVD players. And yes, this battle should be fought in the marketplace. This seems to be working so far, somewhat. Or is it? That's an interesting point. If I wanted to buy a new laptop or desktop completely free of DRM, how easy or hard is it for me to do so? Well, leave out any machines that come with Windows or OS X installed. Those contain DRM. Leave out machines with HDMI -- this also contains DRM. I think I'd have to build my own machine or custom order one. I think we're in danger of becoming a world where non-DRM hardware is hard to attain. There is far less danger of restrictive SaaS. If we don't like one provider, we simply move to a different one. The market for SaaS is still a bit more "free."
- GavinB 17y ago
  DRM and SaaS are two different things, because the former restricts what you can do on machines that you possess. Okay, i think this is our only serious point of disagreement. I guess I just care how I am restricted, not where the specific restrictions come from, or whether they take place locally or on the server. Going forward watch for all consumer software that can conceivably go SaaS to do so, as client-based programs become completely unprofitable. They'll say it's because of the advantages of the cloud, but a large portion of it will be because SaaS achieves the goals of DRM.

by GavinB 17y ago

stcredzero 17y ago

It seems that you want to force others to not have the option of entering into certain contracts, because you find them distasteful. [citation needed] Really, have I ever asked for legislation? I don't think I did. Please point this out in the thread. My actual position is that DRM and SaaS are two different things, because the former restricts what you can do on machines that you possess. You reply by pointing out that you can simply choose not to participate. However, my fear is that DRM on home computers and laptops will become as widespread as DRM in DVD players. And yes, this battle should be fought in the marketplace. This seems to be working so far, somewhat. Or is it? That's an interesting point. If I wanted to buy a new laptop or desktop completely free of DRM, how easy or hard is it for me to do so? Well, leave out any machines that come with Windows or OS X installed. Those contain DRM. Leave out machines with HDMI -- this also contains DRM. I think I'd have to build my own machine or custom order one. I think we're in danger of becoming a world where non-DRM hardware is hard to attain. There is far less danger of restrictive SaaS. If we don't like one provider, we simply move to a different one. The market for SaaS is still a bit more "free."

GavinB 17y ago
DRM and SaaS are two different things, because the former restricts what you can do on machines that you possess. Okay, i think this is our only serious point of disagreement. I guess I just care how I am restricted, not where the specific restrictions come from, or whether they take place locally or on the server. Going forward watch for all consumer software that can conceivably go SaaS to do so, as client-based programs become completely unprofitable. They'll say it's because of the advantages of the cloud, but a large portion of it will be because SaaS achieves the goals of DRM.