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I can't believe anyone is surprised by this. Windows 10 came out of the gate completely weaponized in a way no Operating System ever was before (I was a Windows

I can't believe anyone is surprised by this. Windows 10 came out of the gate completely weaponized in a way no Operating System ever was before (I was a Windows user, can't speak to the level of data-mining on the mobile OSes). So much work was put into all aspects of data-collection that it screamed class-action even to a layperson like myself. Microsoft never states if their (unnamed, unnumbered) trusted 3rd-parties can also share data. Microsoft does not release the names or the number of third-parties involved. They can be foreign, governmental, outsourced developers. There is no language covering the release of this data to "non-trusted" parties. Microsoft does not distinguish between personal and business data. This, additionally, puts businesses that are required, by law, to protect client/patient information (Law, Medicine, Finance) at further risk. Microsoft does not distinguish between the (illegal) search/seizure and distribution of personal/business data. It does little to distinguish between adults and children. Captured data (including video) of those under 18 in legally questionable situations, redistributed to (unnamed and presumably large number of "trusted" third parties) may and should place Microsoft as distributors violating various child abuse laws. Military and Politician data captured can (and should) be viewed as acts of espionage/treason by the US Government. Their data-collecting scheme had immediate and obvious legal ramifications. I couldn't figure out why OUR government wasn't more responsive to this threat. It's becoming increasing clear that there has been lots of back-door collusion between the tech giants and our own government. This bill is a testament to that.

cryoshon 11y ago
Yeah, the Win10 dragnet has inspired me to switch to Linux moving forward. I hope that it has done the same for others.
- jupiter2 11y ago
  It did the same for me. I had been on Linux for about 6 months (because of some issues with Win7) waiting for the Win10 release. A new laptop was in my future. A week after the Win10 release (still seeing red because of the privacy issues), picked up an older laptop (wanted something super Linux-friendly) with legacy BIOS and haven't been this happy with an OS in over a decade. My biggest worry now is that Open Source Software with strong privacy rights policy might be pressured by government/politicians, commercial entities and general public apathy to engage in the same kind of illegal data-mining for so-called "national security" reasons. At the rate we're going, it's inevitable.
eonw 11y ago
any idea how OSX compares?
- astrodust 11y ago
  I haven't seen any issues raised on the operating system itself, people seem generally happy, but you may have reasonable concerns about iCloud type services where data is hosted somewhere besides your own computer. Apple and Tim Cook in particular have generally been on the side of user privacy, of sticking with encryption even when it's causing friction with law enforcement, but they have also unlocked phones and computers when compelled by a court order. It stands to reason that they be forced to disclose personal information, that they may have to hand over cloud-hosted files, email, or messages, or unlock devices. As far as I know Apple has never tapped into someone's system to retrieve information from the operating system. The equipment in question has always been in the immediate possession of law enforcement individuals. This is a thorny issue, everyone's idea of "acceptable behaviour" varies considerably. Plus, if in the future Apple is compelled by law to allow remote access to systems under certain circumstances, things will change considerably.
  - Caprinicus 11y ago
    >also unlocked phones and computers when compelled by a court order. Do you have any links for this?
    - codeddesign 11y ago
      This may be what he is talking about: http://www.cnet.com/news/apple-deluged-by-police-demands-to-decrypt-iphones/ http://www.cnet.com/news/apple-deluged-by-police-demands-to-... However, from my understand newer versions of iOS no longer give Apple the ability to bypass their own security even if they wanted to. However, Android phones are a totally different story...Google just resets the pass code upon court order.
      - fwn 11y ago
        Hmm. Interesting. Any link on that last sentence?
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cryoshon 11y ago

Yeah, the Win10 dragnet has inspired me to switch to Linux moving forward. I hope that it has done the same for others.

jupiter2 11y ago
It did the same for me. I had been on Linux for about 6 months (because of some issues with Win7) waiting for the Win10 release. A new laptop was in my future. A week after the Win10 release (still seeing red because of the privacy issues), picked up an older laptop (wanted something super Linux-friendly) with legacy BIOS and haven't been this happy with an OS in over a decade. My biggest worry now is that Open Source Software with strong privacy rights policy might be pressured by government/politicians, commercial entities and general public apathy to engage in the same kind of illegal data-mining for so-called "national security" reasons. At the rate we're going, it's inevitable.

eonw 11y ago

any idea how OSX compares?

astrodust 11y ago
I haven't seen any issues raised on the operating system itself, people seem generally happy, but you may have reasonable concerns about iCloud type services where data is hosted somewhere besides your own computer. Apple and Tim Cook in particular have generally been on the side of user privacy, of sticking with encryption even when it's causing friction with law enforcement, but they have also unlocked phones and computers when compelled by a court order. It stands to reason that they be forced to disclose personal information, that they may have to hand over cloud-hosted files, email, or messages, or unlock devices. As far as I know Apple has never tapped into someone's system to retrieve information from the operating system. The equipment in question has always been in the immediate possession of law enforcement individuals. This is a thorny issue, everyone's idea of "acceptable behaviour" varies considerably. Plus, if in the future Apple is compelled by law to allow remote access to systems under certain circumstances, things will change considerably.
- Caprinicus 11y ago
  >also unlocked phones and computers when compelled by a court order. Do you have any links for this?
  - codeddesign 11y ago
    This may be what he is talking about: http://www.cnet.com/news/apple-deluged-by-police-demands-to-decrypt-iphones/ http://www.cnet.com/news/apple-deluged-by-police-demands-to-... However, from my understand newer versions of iOS no longer give Apple the ability to bypass their own security even if they wanted to. However, Android phones are a totally different story...Google just resets the pass code upon court order.
    - fwn 11y ago
      Hmm. Interesting. Any link on that last sentence?

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