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Companies have to operate within the parameters of the law. I don't get this. Are people expecting companies to break the law? Is this data hand-off voluntar

Companies have to operate within the parameters of the law. I don't get this. Are people expecting companies to break the law? Is this data hand-off voluntary?

jsnathan 11y ago
> Companies have to operate within the parameters of the law. This does not seem to apply in the context where companies are lobbying for / supporting new laws.
- mozumder 11y ago
  I don't see anything in the bill that would allow a company to actually break their EULA with you.
  - pdkl95 11y ago
    For the millionth time, an EULA is not a contract. A business can try to force a contract of adhesion on you (that is, a contract you do not have the opportunity to negotiate, but until the elements of a contract are satisfied, it's just one party blowing hot air at the other. Even if there was a contract involved, clauses of the contract can be judged to be unconscionable if they are obviously trying to take advantage of the other party in an unusual or misleading way, or if they try to extend the scope of the contract.
    - mozumder 11y ago
      You're going to be really depressed when you find out EULAs are contracts.
enraged_camel 11y ago
>>Companies have to operate within the parameters of the law. That's an interesting assertion. Do you live in the same reality as the rest of us?
- mozumder 11y ago
  So, you're saying that your company breaks the law?
  - enraged_camel 11y ago
    What?
jasonlotito 11y ago
> Companies have to operate within the parameters of the law. Tell that to Uber. Or AirBnB. Both of which violate the law, working to overturn the laws, or entice their users to ignore legally binding obligations. These are flagrant disregards for the legal ramifications. And they aren't he only two. There are many companies out there who break the law. See Volkswagen and the emissions debacle they find themselves in. History is rife with companies breaking the law. Just look at Apple. Microsoft. Google. All these companies have broken the law. And in each case, they've fought against what they think is wrong. Do companies have to operate within the parameters of the law? No.

Companies have to operate within the parameters of the law. I don't get this. Are people expecting companies to break the law? Is this data hand-off voluntary?

jsnathan 11y ago

> Companies have to operate within the parameters of the law. This does not seem to apply in the context where companies are lobbying for / supporting new laws.

mozumder 11y ago
I don't see anything in the bill that would allow a company to actually break their EULA with you.
- pdkl95 11y ago
  For the millionth time, an EULA is not a contract. A business can try to force a contract of adhesion on you (that is, a contract you do not have the opportunity to negotiate, but until the elements of a contract are satisfied, it's just one party blowing hot air at the other. Even if there was a contract involved, clauses of the contract can be judged to be unconscionable if they are obviously trying to take advantage of the other party in an unusual or misleading way, or if they try to extend the scope of the contract.
  - mozumder 11y ago
    You're going to be really depressed when you find out EULAs are contracts.

enraged_camel 11y ago

>>Companies have to operate within the parameters of the law. That's an interesting assertion. Do you live in the same reality as the rest of us?

mozumder 11y ago
So, you're saying that your company breaks the law?
- enraged_camel 11y ago
  What?

jasonlotito 11y ago

> Companies have to operate within the parameters of the law. Tell that to Uber. Or AirBnB. Both of which violate the law, working to overturn the laws, or entice their users to ignore legally binding obligations. These are flagrant disregards for the legal ramifications. And they aren't he only two. There are many companies out there who break the law. See Volkswagen and the emissions debacle they find themselves in. History is rife with companies breaking the law. Just look at Apple. Microsoft. Google. All these companies have broken the law. And in each case, they've fought against what they think is wrong. Do companies have to operate within the parameters of the law? No.