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I saw teo people shot not far from here, the windows of Obama's campaign HQ smashed in with hammers down the street, and a homeless man crap on the steps of cit

I saw teo people shot not far from here, the windows of Obama's campaign HQ smashed in with hammers down the street, and a homeless man crap on the steps of city hall in broad daylight. Welcome to Oakland Uber.

masterleep 11y ago
I guess it'll smell just like SF then.
rdl 11y ago
The alternatives for similar real estate in SF would be near Twitter/Mid-Market (which is worse than Downtown Oakland IMO; probably on par with the shitty areas of San Pablo near 30th-35th St, but better than particularly bad parts of West Oakland or East Oakland, true), or Bayview/HP (also on par or worse). We're not talking about Pacific Heights or the Oakland Hills here :) Oakland downtown/uptown has property crime and some violent crime but it's not particularly bad compared to other areas. Most crime in both SF and Oakland (as it is anywhere) is poor people hurting other poor people.
ChuckFrank 11y ago
No difference from just around the corner of the Twitter building. This isn't a homeless man crapping problem, it's an insufficient bathroom infrastructure problem, and yes most mid to large size American cities have it. Which is exacerbated by laxative type drugs. 'Hello Alcohol, Hello Heroin, I'm talking to you two.'
- lyall 11y ago
  Heroin, like pretty much all opioids, is actually the exact opposite of a laxative. Imodium (Loperamide), a common anti-diarrheal, is actually an opioid like heroin, and works by binding to and activating your body's opioid receptors. It just only binds to receptors in your large intestine, so it doesn't get you "high" like other opioids.
- cookiecaper 11y ago
  This might be a nice way to comfort yourself about living not only in CA but in either SF or Oakland, but it's not real life. I've worked in the downtowns of multiple major metropolitan areas, and have never seen anyone defecate in public, nor have I witnessed a robbery. I was once pressed to buy crack in the Crossroads District of KCMO, but that's pretty much it. I used to walk from Crossroads to Crown Center for lunch and back again every day. Second most eventful walk: a couple of birds swooped down and tried to take some of my hair.
  - parasubvert 11y ago
    Apparently you've not lived or worked in the Tenderloin or deep SOMA. In a 2 year period I saw/experienced: - defecation, urination, and masturbation in broad daylight on the sidewalk - heroin injection - a half full 26er of vodka fly out of a window and hit me at my feet - packs of men with assless chaps and various states of undress and arousal in line at a Subway (it was the Folsom street fair week) , one holding his slave by the collar while ordering a BLT - half naked people stumbling out of minivans with crackpipes - two incidents of modest riots / bonfires in the middle of Market street (the Giants won) - various gunshot murders (one being a sawed off shotgun assassination attempt at the Gas station off Harrison and ...5th?) that I thankfully missed but glimpsed the aftermath of It's like parallel universe Disneyland. None of this really affected me - more bemusing than anything, but it can be shocking to those unaware.
    - dllthomas 11y ago
      You seem to have misread the parent comment as saying they haven't seen this stuff in SF - they said they haven't seen this stuff where they have worked, in other major cities.
      - parasubvert 11y ago
        I read that. But they said "it's not real life". It is, and not just in SF/Oakland. Plenty of weird experiences to be had in New York or Toronto, for example.
- hiou 11y ago
  http://mochimachine.org/wasteland/ http://mochimachine.org/wasteland/
- djrogers 11y ago
  While this line of thought may make you feel better about living in SF, it's just not true. Having been and lived in a number of mid-to-large sized American cities, I can honestly state that SF is by far the most urine and feces covered. If you want to see someone defecate in public, SF would be by far the #1 place to visit. You're unlikely to see that behavior tolerated in NY, Chicago, KC, Vancouver, Seattle, Portland, Sacramento, Phoenix, Denver, or any other city you'd care to mention.
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mahyarm 11y ago
Uber & Twitter are next to each other, beside the tenderloin. A block away from the tenderloin is nastier than 19th st oakland BART and lake merrit.
pbreit 11y ago
That never happens in San Francisco.
nailer 11y ago
As a non-American that has spent time in both SF and Oakland, but has no allegiances to either, SF's much dirtier.
- gmarx 11y ago
  I'm originally from Chicago and have lived in many American cities including NYC in the 1990s. Can confirm, SF is bizarrely filthy especially given how much money is available and its reputation
wdr1 11y ago
Eh, sounds like Venice.

masterleep 11y ago

I guess it'll smell just like SF then.

rdl 11y ago

The alternatives for similar real estate in SF would be near Twitter/Mid-Market (which is worse than Downtown Oakland IMO; probably on par with the shitty areas of San Pablo near 30th-35th St, but better than particularly bad parts of West Oakland or East Oakland, true), or Bayview/HP (also on par or worse). We're not talking about Pacific Heights or the Oakland Hills here :) Oakland downtown/uptown has property crime and some violent crime but it's not particularly bad compared to other areas. Most crime in both SF and Oakland (as it is anywhere) is poor people hurting other poor people.

ChuckFrank 11y ago

No difference from just around the corner of the Twitter building. This isn't a homeless man crapping problem, it's an insufficient bathroom infrastructure problem, and yes most mid to large size American cities have it. Which is exacerbated by laxative type drugs. 'Hello Alcohol, Hello Heroin, I'm talking to you two.'

lyall 11y ago
Heroin, like pretty much all opioids, is actually the exact opposite of a laxative. Imodium (Loperamide), a common anti-diarrheal, is actually an opioid like heroin, and works by binding to and activating your body's opioid receptors. It just only binds to receptors in your large intestine, so it doesn't get you "high" like other opioids.
cookiecaper 11y ago
This might be a nice way to comfort yourself about living not only in CA but in either SF or Oakland, but it's not real life. I've worked in the downtowns of multiple major metropolitan areas, and have never seen anyone defecate in public, nor have I witnessed a robbery. I was once pressed to buy crack in the Crossroads District of KCMO, but that's pretty much it. I used to walk from Crossroads to Crown Center for lunch and back again every day. Second most eventful walk: a couple of birds swooped down and tried to take some of my hair.
- parasubvert 11y ago
  Apparently you've not lived or worked in the Tenderloin or deep SOMA. In a 2 year period I saw/experienced: - defecation, urination, and masturbation in broad daylight on the sidewalk - heroin injection - a half full 26er of vodka fly out of a window and hit me at my feet - packs of men with assless chaps and various states of undress and arousal in line at a Subway (it was the Folsom street fair week) , one holding his slave by the collar while ordering a BLT - half naked people stumbling out of minivans with crackpipes - two incidents of modest riots / bonfires in the middle of Market street (the Giants won) - various gunshot murders (one being a sawed off shotgun assassination attempt at the Gas station off Harrison and ...5th?) that I thankfully missed but glimpsed the aftermath of It's like parallel universe Disneyland. None of this really affected me - more bemusing than anything, but it can be shocking to those unaware.
  - dllthomas 11y ago
    You seem to have misread the parent comment as saying they haven't seen this stuff in SF - they said they haven't seen this stuff where they have worked, in other major cities.
    - parasubvert 11y ago
      I read that. But they said "it's not real life". It is, and not just in SF/Oakland. Plenty of weird experiences to be had in New York or Toronto, for example.
hiou 11y ago
http://mochimachine.org/wasteland/ http://mochimachine.org/wasteland/
djrogers 11y ago
While this line of thought may make you feel better about living in SF, it's just not true. Having been and lived in a number of mid-to-large sized American cities, I can honestly state that SF is by far the most urine and feces covered. If you want to see someone defecate in public, SF would be by far the #1 place to visit. You're unlikely to see that behavior tolerated in NY, Chicago, KC, Vancouver, Seattle, Portland, Sacramento, Phoenix, Denver, or any other city you'd care to mention.
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mahyarm 11y ago

Uber & Twitter are next to each other, beside the tenderloin. A block away from the tenderloin is nastier than 19th st oakland BART and lake merrit.

pbreit 11y ago

That never happens in San Francisco.

nailer 11y ago

As a non-American that has spent time in both SF and Oakland, but has no allegiances to either, SF's much dirtier.

gmarx 11y ago
I'm originally from Chicago and have lived in many American cities including NYC in the 1990s. Can confirm, SF is bizarrely filthy especially given how much money is available and its reputation

wdr1 11y ago

Eh, sounds like Venice.