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Don't forget animal agriculture.

by bitsoda 11y ago

heygrady 11y ago
http://message.snopes.com/showthread.php?t=77718 http://message.snopes.com/showthread.php?t=77718 Cows eat grass, not fossil fuels. Measuring the impact of agriculture vs. transportation should take the source of the pollutants into account.
- mcguire 11y ago
  On the other, other hand, many cows are not grass-fed and there's fossil fuels in them thar corn kernels. Second order effects and all...
  - heygrady 11y ago
    ... like the gas used for farm equipment? Or the fossil fuels used in some fertilizers? Sure. It's a common talking point to mention "cow farts" and "cow burps" because they emit greenhouse gasses. But generally the greenhouse gasses emitted by cows are from the organic matter that they were fed. Excluding the farm equipment and fossil-fuel-based fertilizer, cow burps form a natural closed loop. Meaning, grow corn or grass and it takes in greenhouse gasses from the soil and the air. Feed it to a cow and it releases those same greenhouse gasses. Cows and plants by themselves are not actually contributing greenhouse gasses into the atmosphere in a manner that contributes to global warming. Meaning, if you're worried about cow burps or humans breathing... stop worrying about it. And if you're pointing out that animals emit greenhouse gasses... cool, but that is irrelevant to a rational discussion of emissions that lead to climate change. For agriculture, the system becomes imbalanced when you add in the emissions of the industrial farm equipment and the shipping infrastructure to getting food from the farm to the the table. But that imbalance is what we're trying to address when we talk about transitioning to more fuel efficient vehicles or more sustainable farming practices (like not using fossil fuels in fertilizer). So, mentioning agriculture as a polluter is typically a red herring. At first blush it seems reasonable because there are a lot of farm animals that emit greenhouse gasses. However, including agriculture in a discussion of emissions is usually disingenuous or misinformed.
    - DanBC 11y ago
      > But generally the greenhouse gasses emitted by cows are from the organic matter that they were fed. > Excluding the farm equipment and fossil-fuel-based fertilizer, cow burps form a natural closed loop. Meaning, grow corn or grass and it takes in greenhouse gasses from the soil and the air. Feed it to a cow and it releases those same greenhouse gasses. Plants take in CO2. Cows fart out methane. Methane is a much more potent greenhouse gas than CO2. http://www3.epa.gov/climatechange/ghgemissions/gases/ch4.html http://www3.epa.gov/climatechange/ghgemissions/gases/ch4.htm... > Pound for pound, the comparative impact of CH4 on climate change is 25 times greater than CO2 over a 100-year period.
      - heygrady 11y ago
        I liked this article from 1989: http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/832/do-cow-and-termite-flatulence-threaten-the-earths-atmosphere http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/832/do-cow-and-term... > Methane breaks down in the atmosphere to form carbon dioxide, ozone, and water, all of which absorb heat. Almost every current article about cow burps cites a 2006 U.N. study saying that livestock accounted for 18% of methane pollution. That study was later called into question as being slightly exaggerated because it included pollution from farming infrastructure itself, not just the animals. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/earth/environment/climatechange/7509978/UN-admits-flaw-in-report-on-meat-and-climate-change.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/earth/environment/climatecha... > The meat figure had been reached by adding all greenhouse-gas emissions associated with meat production, including fertiliser production, land clearance, methane emissions and vehicle use on farms, whereas the transport figure had only included the burning of fossil fuels.
        DanBC 11y ago
        I point to a carefully created paper from scientists and you point to straight dope and a newspaper that denies climate change.

Don't forget animal agriculture.

by bitsoda 11y ago

Don't forget animal agriculture.

http://message.snopes.com/showthread.php?t=77718 http://message.snopes.com/showthread.php?t=77718 Cows eat grass, not fossil fuels. Measuring the impact of agriculture vs. transportation should take the source of the pollutants into account.

mcguire 11y ago
On the other, other hand, many cows are not grass-fed and there's fossil fuels in them thar corn kernels. Second order effects and all...
- heygrady 11y ago
  ... like the gas used for farm equipment? Or the fossil fuels used in some fertilizers? Sure. It's a common talking point to mention "cow farts" and "cow burps" because they emit greenhouse gasses. But generally the greenhouse gasses emitted by cows are from the organic matter that they were fed. Excluding the farm equipment and fossil-fuel-based fertilizer, cow burps form a natural closed loop. Meaning, grow corn or grass and it takes in greenhouse gasses from the soil and the air. Feed it to a cow and it releases those same greenhouse gasses. Cows and plants by themselves are not actually contributing greenhouse gasses into the atmosphere in a manner that contributes to global warming. Meaning, if you're worried about cow burps or humans breathing... stop worrying about it. And if you're pointing out that animals emit greenhouse gasses... cool, but that is irrelevant to a rational discussion of emissions that lead to climate change. For agriculture, the system becomes imbalanced when you add in the emissions of the industrial farm equipment and the shipping infrastructure to getting food from the farm to the the table. But that imbalance is what we're trying to address when we talk about transitioning to more fuel efficient vehicles or more sustainable farming practices (like not using fossil fuels in fertilizer). So, mentioning agriculture as a polluter is typically a red herring. At first blush it seems reasonable because there are a lot of farm animals that emit greenhouse gasses. However, including agriculture in a discussion of emissions is usually disingenuous or misinformed.
  - DanBC 11y ago
    > But generally the greenhouse gasses emitted by cows are from the organic matter that they were fed. > Excluding the farm equipment and fossil-fuel-based fertilizer, cow burps form a natural closed loop. Meaning, grow corn or grass and it takes in greenhouse gasses from the soil and the air. Feed it to a cow and it releases those same greenhouse gasses. Plants take in CO2. Cows fart out methane. Methane is a much more potent greenhouse gas than CO2. http://www3.epa.gov/climatechange/ghgemissions/gases/ch4.html http://www3.epa.gov/climatechange/ghgemissions/gases/ch4.htm... > Pound for pound, the comparative impact of CH4 on climate change is 25 times greater than CO2 over a 100-year period.
    - heygrady 11y ago
      I liked this article from 1989: http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/832/do-cow-and-termite-flatulence-threaten-the-earths-atmosphere http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/832/do-cow-and-term... > Methane breaks down in the atmosphere to form carbon dioxide, ozone, and water, all of which absorb heat. Almost every current article about cow burps cites a 2006 U.N. study saying that livestock accounted for 18% of methane pollution. That study was later called into question as being slightly exaggerated because it included pollution from farming infrastructure itself, not just the animals. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/earth/environment/climatechange/7509978/UN-admits-flaw-in-report-on-meat-and-climate-change.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/earth/environment/climatecha... > The meat figure had been reached by adding all greenhouse-gas emissions associated with meat production, including fertiliser production, land clearance, methane emissions and vehicle use on farms, whereas the transport figure had only included the burning of fossil fuels.
      - DanBC 11y ago
        I point to a carefully created paper from scientists and you point to straight dope and a newspaper that denies climate change.