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That was easy to do since you could determine the difference in gas cost between advertised and actual performance. How do you value power though?

toomuchtodo 11y ago
Determine the average sales price of vehicles with the power your car now has after correcting its ECU fuel maps, subtract that from the average sales price of vehicles with the power you advertised. That number you arrive at is the compensation you owe each person who purchased your vehicle.
Evolved 11y ago
toomuchtodo 4 minutes ago Determine the average sales price of vehicles with the power your car now has after correcting its ECU fuel maps, subtract that from the average sales price of vehicles with the power you advertised. That number you arrive at is the compensation you owe each person who purchased your vehicle. I don't think that would quite work because the new sales would also factor in distrust and changes in consumer perception and taste which further reduces the amount of sales VW might have. You'd essentially have to do this in a vacuum where the updated vehicles' sales were subtracted from the non-updated vehicles and the numbers crunched on the premise that nobody ever found out about this and it was just fixed and swept under the rug. Either way, I like your idea and I hope these owners get adequately compensated for this.
- CWuestefeld 11y ago
  the new sales would also factor in distrust and changes in consumer perception and taste which further reduces the amount of sales But that would be appropriate, because these factors would negatively affect the potential resale value for the defrauded owner.
alkonaut 11y ago
Exactly. I just ordered a Passat Wagon 2Liter diesel 191hp (Last week, what are the odds?) because among the options under the pretty strict CO2 emission restrictions I needed to follow (120g/km) it seemed like the best choice. If the CO2 emissions had happened to be ever so slightly higher than 120g/km then I couldn't have bought it, and would have picked the V70 D4 instead. Obviously, if VW had been fair, maybe they couldn't have squeezed 191hp and 5L/100km consumption out of it. Suppose it would have been 170hp and 5L/100km instead to reach the required emissions targets. Now instead of better perforomance than the competition (such as the Volvo) it would have be worse! It's entirely possible I wouldn't have picked it. So as a customer I'm not really suffering from VW's wrongdoing here. At least not yet (until I get a message saying my not-yet-received car will be delayed 2 months and is already less powerful than when I ordered it). Volvo on the other hand may well have already lost a sale of a new car. Makes you wonder how many sales they lost, and makes you realize how important accurate tests are.
- jacquesm 11y ago
  A couple more 'anecdotes' like that and I see an entirely different angle of fall-out from all this, lost income from missed sales by other brands.
- mcguire 11y ago
  "Last week, what are the odds?" So this scandal is all your fault, then? :-)

toomuchtodo 11y ago

Determine the average sales price of vehicles with the power your car now has after correcting its ECU fuel maps, subtract that from the average sales price of vehicles with the power you advertised. That number you arrive at is the compensation you owe each person who purchased your vehicle.

Evolved 11y ago

toomuchtodo 4 minutes ago Determine the average sales price of vehicles with the power your car now has after correcting its ECU fuel maps, subtract that from the average sales price of vehicles with the power you advertised. That number you arrive at is the compensation you owe each person who purchased your vehicle. I don't think that would quite work because the new sales would also factor in distrust and changes in consumer perception and taste which further reduces the amount of sales VW might have. You'd essentially have to do this in a vacuum where the updated vehicles' sales were subtracted from the non-updated vehicles and the numbers crunched on the premise that nobody ever found out about this and it was just fixed and swept under the rug. Either way, I like your idea and I hope these owners get adequately compensated for this.

CWuestefeld 11y ago
the new sales would also factor in distrust and changes in consumer perception and taste which further reduces the amount of sales But that would be appropriate, because these factors would negatively affect the potential resale value for the defrauded owner.

alkonaut 11y ago

Exactly. I just ordered a Passat Wagon 2Liter diesel 191hp (Last week, what are the odds?) because among the options under the pretty strict CO2 emission restrictions I needed to follow (120g/km) it seemed like the best choice. If the CO2 emissions had happened to be ever so slightly higher than 120g/km then I couldn't have bought it, and would have picked the V70 D4 instead. Obviously, if VW had been fair, maybe they couldn't have squeezed 191hp and 5L/100km consumption out of it. Suppose it would have been 170hp and 5L/100km instead to reach the required emissions targets. Now instead of better perforomance than the competition (such as the Volvo) it would have be worse! It's entirely possible I wouldn't have picked it. So as a customer I'm not really suffering from VW's wrongdoing here. At least not yet (until I get a message saying my not-yet-received car will be delayed 2 months and is already less powerful than when I ordered it). Volvo on the other hand may well have already lost a sale of a new car. Makes you wonder how many sales they lost, and makes you realize how important accurate tests are.

jacquesm 11y ago
A couple more 'anecdotes' like that and I see an entirely different angle of fall-out from all this, lost income from missed sales by other brands.
mcguire 11y ago
"Last week, what are the odds?" So this scandal is all your fault, then? :-)