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If a 500MB data plan costs $50 and your website has 50MB of ads, you've just cost the user $10 to load your page And then you made money off them too Not to m

by feld 11y ago

If a 500MB data plan costs $50 and your website has 50MB of ads, you've just cost the user $10 to load your page And then you made money off them too Not to mention the extra wear on their batteries Now who is unethical? I'm OK with ads as long as they are 1) unobtrusive: don't get in the way of the content I'm trying to reach 2) policed to ensure they will not deliver malware to anyone 3) as few requests and as small (data-wise) as possible so they don't interrupt my experience (eg, slow down page load) 4) no tracking of users You know, like a billboard.

explorigin 11y ago
> unobtrusive: don't get in the way of the content I'm trying to reach > You know, like a billboard. There are people that think billboards are the worst kind of advertisement because they only block pretty views of nature rather than coming along side content that you want to see. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highway_Beautification_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highway_Beautification_Act
- Nadya 11y ago
  Not to mention that they often target drivers who should be keeping their eyes on the damn road, not reading a billboard while traveling 65mph on the freeway. (Edit: Thinking about it, I think I'm one of the few people in my state to ever obey the posted speed limits. So change "65mph" to "80mph".)
- feld 11y ago
  I've never been angry at a billboard, but then again I've never lived in a hellscape where they are the only thing in sight. And if I did I'd probably move away. And the advertisers would have to deal with it. edit: maybe more accurately "a billboard has never obstructed my use of the highway, reduced my MPG, tampered with my car, or increased my cost of traveling in any measurable way"
belorn 11y ago
Additionally to that list: 5: Follow local laws regarding advertisement. Radio, TV, Billboards, blimps, messages written in the sky, and so on. All those has to follow the same laws except for online advertisement which has continuously claimed that the only laws that they have to follow is those where the servers are located. Youtube, netflix, and spotify to mention a few already know how to geoblock so there is no technical excuse to not follow local laws.
- ketralnis 11y ago
  > except for online advertisement which has continuously claimed that the only laws that they have to follow is those where the servers are located I understand your frustration, but a world in which this isn't true sounds really, really complicated. What's your alternative?
  - belorn 11y ago
    The alternative is that online advertisement has to compete on the same level that offline advertisement does. If a company finds it is not worth investing time and money to find out what the local laws is, then there are local companies that already know how to operate and can take that market share from them. There are however many global companies that has learned to follow local laws in each country they decide to operative in. McDonald's for example can't just ignore local food and health regulations and have a single system across all nations.
- adultSwim 11y ago
  Follow the laws? How quaint. Why not just delibrately break them until you have enough money/influence to have them rewritten? Looking at you Uber

by feld 11y ago

explorigin 11y ago

> unobtrusive: don't get in the way of the content I'm trying to reach > You know, like a billboard. There are people that think billboards are the worst kind of advertisement because they only block pretty views of nature rather than coming along side content that you want to see. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highway_Beautification_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highway_Beautification_Act

Nadya 11y ago
Not to mention that they often target drivers who should be keeping their eyes on the damn road, not reading a billboard while traveling 65mph on the freeway. (Edit: Thinking about it, I think I'm one of the few people in my state to ever obey the posted speed limits. So change "65mph" to "80mph".)
feld 11y ago
I've never been angry at a billboard, but then again I've never lived in a hellscape where they are the only thing in sight. And if I did I'd probably move away. And the advertisers would have to deal with it. edit: maybe more accurately "a billboard has never obstructed my use of the highway, reduced my MPG, tampered with my car, or increased my cost of traveling in any measurable way"

belorn 11y ago

Additionally to that list: 5: Follow local laws regarding advertisement. Radio, TV, Billboards, blimps, messages written in the sky, and so on. All those has to follow the same laws except for online advertisement which has continuously claimed that the only laws that they have to follow is those where the servers are located. Youtube, netflix, and spotify to mention a few already know how to geoblock so there is no technical excuse to not follow local laws.

ketralnis 11y ago
> except for online advertisement which has continuously claimed that the only laws that they have to follow is those where the servers are located I understand your frustration, but a world in which this isn't true sounds really, really complicated. What's your alternative?
- belorn 11y ago
  The alternative is that online advertisement has to compete on the same level that offline advertisement does. If a company finds it is not worth investing time and money to find out what the local laws is, then there are local companies that already know how to operate and can take that market share from them. There are however many global companies that has learned to follow local laws in each country they decide to operative in. McDonald's for example can't just ignore local food and health regulations and have a single system across all nations.
adultSwim 11y ago
Follow the laws? How quaint. Why not just delibrately break them until you have enough money/influence to have them rewritten? Looking at you Uber