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I wish they'd stop copying the klunky OS X ui anti-patterns.

teh_klev 11y ago
Well install a different front end, isn't that what the spirit of Linux, Freedom, etc is all about. They even make it easy for you: https://spins.fedoraproject.org/ https://spins.fedoraproject.org/
- keithpeter 11y ago
  I'm downloading the Workstation beta now mainly to have a look at Gnome 3.18. I have quite liked Gnome 3 since around 3.4 (used the Debian Wheezy manifestation). I can't seem to get on with KDE but that is probably just me. For the 'just do stuff' laptop, I find xfce4 reassuringly gradualist. I'm using version 4.10 with whisker-menu bound to Mod4-space, and with the panel brought down to the bottom of the screen. I hand this laptop to students who are used to Windows and they have no problems with the navigation at all. Slackware as underlying OS but almost any of the larger distros will package a full xfce4 desktop session.
  - teh_klev 11y ago
    I must give Gnome 3 another spin. I fell out of love with Gnome 3 whenever it popped up in Fedora 16? or 17? and switched to KDE 4 which I kinda like. I have a spare Dell Vostro 1720 laptop with a nice 1900x1200 display I can blow away and play with. My main machine is still Windows 7 (about to be 10) because I spend 50% of my day inside Visual Studio/SQL Server/IIS, and we still use Exchange (therefore Outlook) and Word...etc. Also for the life of me I still cannot get Fortigate's VPN client (essential because I'm a remote worker) to play nice with Linux yet, otherwise I'd probably switch and virtualise my Windows bits. I know the Linux OpenVPN stuff should work with our VPN hardware but I've never worked out which knobs to to dial, maybe a project for the weekend.
- WorldWideWayne 11y ago
  Thanks, but they obviously put all of their fine work into the Gnome front-end and using a different spin doesn't get you any of that. The number of customizations that need to be installed and maintained between updates to make this OS X-like abomination usable is ridiculous.
  - teh_klev 11y ago
    Sure, and all the maintainers of all the other front ends such as KDE, xfce, lxde, compiz etc have been putting all their own fine work into their own UI's. Gnome is a product of the Gnome project, it just happens to be the default desktop shipped by Fedora, and I guess they had to pick one at some point in the mists of time. I ran KDE across three versions of Fedora (18,19 and 20), I didn't encounter any problems each time I upgraded or updated. I don't see the logic or reasoning behind your complaint.
    - WorldWideWayne 11y ago
      You don't understand the logic that - as the default desktop shipped by Fedora, the Gnome desktop version has things that the others don't? I've been using Linux since the 90's. Generally, if you don't go with the default desktop you lose things. Important things like the entire UI for your package manager. So, to me it's like putting a dingleberry on top of a really nice cone of ice cream.
  - bigger_cheese 11y ago
    I've been using Cinnamon as my desktop in Fedora for a long time now works fine 'out of the box'. Like a lot of people here I Fedup my system only thing I've noticed recently is yum->DNF change I'm too lazy to learn the new package manager and it keeps giving me a message that yum is depreciated I'm sure at some point I'll have to switch.
    - iamtew 11y ago
      Most (if not all) options are the same, you could just add an alias in your profile: alias yum='dnf' Has worked fine for me since F21 :-)

Well install a different front end, isn't that what the spirit of Linux, Freedom, etc is all about. They even make it easy for you: https://spins.fedoraproject.org/ https://spins.fedoraproject.org/

keithpeter 11y ago
I'm downloading the Workstation beta now mainly to have a look at Gnome 3.18. I have quite liked Gnome 3 since around 3.4 (used the Debian Wheezy manifestation). I can't seem to get on with KDE but that is probably just me. For the 'just do stuff' laptop, I find xfce4 reassuringly gradualist. I'm using version 4.10 with whisker-menu bound to Mod4-space, and with the panel brought down to the bottom of the screen. I hand this laptop to students who are used to Windows and they have no problems with the navigation at all. Slackware as underlying OS but almost any of the larger distros will package a full xfce4 desktop session.
- teh_klev 11y ago
  I must give Gnome 3 another spin. I fell out of love with Gnome 3 whenever it popped up in Fedora 16? or 17? and switched to KDE 4 which I kinda like. I have a spare Dell Vostro 1720 laptop with a nice 1900x1200 display I can blow away and play with. My main machine is still Windows 7 (about to be 10) because I spend 50% of my day inside Visual Studio/SQL Server/IIS, and we still use Exchange (therefore Outlook) and Word...etc. Also for the life of me I still cannot get Fortigate's VPN client (essential because I'm a remote worker) to play nice with Linux yet, otherwise I'd probably switch and virtualise my Windows bits. I know the Linux OpenVPN stuff should work with our VPN hardware but I've never worked out which knobs to to dial, maybe a project for the weekend.
WorldWideWayne 11y ago
Thanks, but they obviously put all of their fine work into the Gnome front-end and using a different spin doesn't get you any of that. The number of customizations that need to be installed and maintained between updates to make this OS X-like abomination usable is ridiculous.
- teh_klev 11y ago
  Sure, and all the maintainers of all the other front ends such as KDE, xfce, lxde, compiz etc have been putting all their own fine work into their own UI's. Gnome is a product of the Gnome project, it just happens to be the default desktop shipped by Fedora, and I guess they had to pick one at some point in the mists of time. I ran KDE across three versions of Fedora (18,19 and 20), I didn't encounter any problems each time I upgraded or updated. I don't see the logic or reasoning behind your complaint.
  - WorldWideWayne 11y ago
    You don't understand the logic that - as the default desktop shipped by Fedora, the Gnome desktop version has things that the others don't? I've been using Linux since the 90's. Generally, if you don't go with the default desktop you lose things. Important things like the entire UI for your package manager. So, to me it's like putting a dingleberry on top of a really nice cone of ice cream.
- bigger_cheese 11y ago
  I've been using Cinnamon as my desktop in Fedora for a long time now works fine 'out of the box'. Like a lot of people here I Fedup my system only thing I've noticed recently is yum->DNF change I'm too lazy to learn the new package manager and it keeps giving me a message that yum is depreciated I'm sure at some point I'll have to switch.
  - iamtew 11y ago
    Most (if not all) options are the same, you could just add an alias in your profile: alias yum='dnf' Has worked fine for me since F21 :-)