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I've been using Meteor for months. It's such a pleasure to work with. It's what Rails should've been if it was written today. They just keep on delivering on o

I've been using Meteor for months. It's such a pleasure to work with. It's what Rails should've been if it was written today. They just keep on delivering on out-of-the-box functionality, compatibility with 3rd party libs, and more importantly - on a very solid architecture for real-time transport by guys who really know what they're doing. Kudos everyone.

emerongi 11y ago
Exact same experience. Development is easy and frustration-free. The team listens to the community AND delivers. The platform is not just for playing around anymore, it has matured really well. See the case studies[1] - I, for example, love Hansoft X[2]. I think I would feel frustrated to have to go back to any other framework. Meteor is what web-development should be like. I'm not sure if Meteor is going to be THE platform everyone is going to use, but it definitely is completely changing the game and I suspect web-developers will be adopting the Meteor ethos. [1] https://www.meteor.com/case-studies/build-apps-with-meteor https://www.meteor.com/case-studies/build-apps-with-meteor [2] https://hansoftx.com/ https://hansoftx.com/
- JaakkoP 11y ago
  Same experience here as well. I don't think either that Meteor is going to become de facto platform for all web development, but it's definitely going to be one of the main ones along with Angular, React and Rails.
  - djmashko2 11y ago
    I'm curious - do you think there is room for someone to come along with the right combination of stuff to become the "de facto platform for all web development"? It's interesting also that people always talk about Rails but don't mention JSP and .NET, which I think are actually a lot more popular last time I looked around. I guess it depends on who you ask. I feel like JavaScript is in a sweet spot right now because it has the inherent advantage of being the _only_ language you can run inside a browser, so you can do things with it that would be very hard or complicated in other languages.
    - sotojuan 11y ago
      I honestly think that with some good marketing, Meteor can be on top when they get SQL support.
      - JaakkoP 11y ago
        That's a good point. While I love Mongo, a lot of developers won't even consider Meteor since it has only NoSQL support.
        uptownJimmy 11y ago
        I've wondered to myself a few times: perhaps Meteor would be even more popular than it presently is, if it had not been chained to MongoDB from the start. Even a different NoSQL db would probably have been a more popular/respected choice, at this point. And, though I know this has been said before, it bears repeating: most developers who deal with data on a regular basis are best advised to go ahead and get comfortable with SQL. So far, it is BY FAR the best solution to the great majority of data-storage-and-retrieval use cases. I'm no expert, tis true, but I don't see JSON objects replacing SQL any time soon. So, yes: as soon as Meteor includes official support for one of the SQL platforms, I'm all over it. It seems very promising, for those of us not locked in a death-rattle of foaming, red-faced JavaScript hatred.
    - JaakkoP 11y ago
      Good question. I think Meteor is certainly the closest of such platform at the moment, but you don't have to go far to find a developer who really hates JavaScript and will never switch over. Such hate may or may not be justified, but you won't easily change their minds. At the same time, there are people - including me - who only develop with JS with no real need to switch over to something else. I wish I had a more educated answer (guess?), since this is all just anecdata.
      - lostPixels 11y ago
        Has anyone built an Ecommerce platform in Meteor? Meteor is just this months hotness for building a specific type of web product, namely web apps. It's not going to become the defacto standard of anything else.
  - JPKab 11y ago
    I'm a data guy whose realized that all of the fancy data stuff in the world tends to be useless without a UI. I don't have time to put all of my effort into web apps, because then I'd have to take my focus off the data/business functions piece. Meteor has been perfect for me. It works, I can easily integrate with it via the Mongo back-end, and the prototyping is super-fast. For the kinds of apps that I build (very industry specific apps for retail) I don't really have to worry about scaling to thousands of users, which means that Meteor isn't just a toy in my world. And even if I did have to scale, everything about the Meteor framework indicates that scaling Meteor is no different than scaling any other Node app. When Postgres support comes, (its in the works) I'll be using this thing for everything.
- debaserab2 11y ago
  Still waiting for the killer testimonial for meteor, until then I'd be too scared to try it with anything larger than a prototype or brochure site. I don't want to be the first person attacking a completely new class of scaling problems using a proprietary tech stack that I may or may not have the ability to control.
  - kentonv 11y ago
    What do you mean by "proprietary"?
    - debaserab2 11y ago
      Proprietary is the wrong word, as it is open source. The right word would be "immature", as meteor is an entire tech stack that hasn't been battle hardened by years or decades of other software that currently exists in other tech stacks. The other piece is the meteor stack is designed to be hosted by meteor. Sure, you can, in theory, run everything yourself - but I haven't seen good case studies of that. What do you do when your app blows up and suddenly the hosting costs of meteor is too much of an overhead?
      - joshowens 11y ago
        You can easily use things like Heroku and Modulus to host your site. I think perhaps you are misinformed about your options and should read up a bit more. I use Digital Ocean with MUP and it works great with minimal efforts.
        debaserab2 11y ago
        What options did I miss? What kind of load does that app you host on digital ocean have? Edit: I'm not at all suggesting that isn't possible to self host a meteor app, I am saying that I don't know what the "beaten path" is for other companies/apps/products that have self hosted a meteor app to a significant scale.
      - kentonv 11y ago
daveroberts 11y ago
How often do you use npm packages which are not part of atmosphere? I remember this not working great. Have things changed?
- hn_user2 11y ago
  Works great. Just isn't part of core. Meteor core is stubbornly trying to force use of atmosphere for everything. But everyine I know immediately installs https://github.com/meteorhacks/npm https://github.com/meteorhacks/npm which allows for using regular npm packages. I think inevitably the meteor team will bring this into core, or something similar, and we will be able to have our mix of atmosphere and non libraries.
  - daveroberts 11y ago
    Thanks. Should any other packages be in core that are not?
    - hn_user2 11y ago
      A router. But I don't think the community has quite solidified around a single router yet. Iron-Router was the lead for a while. I don't think these should necessarily be in core, but here is my list of pretty much always-installed modules: stevezhu:lodash iron:router meteorhacks:npm meteorhacks:async aldeed:collection2 aldeed:autoform aldeed:tabular xolvio:cucumber yogiben:admin
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ocean3 11y ago
I had totally different experience. I don't have much experience on meteor just working on some tasks for a meteor project. Hence issues might be related to it as well. But I felt it was very amateurish, there was no proper ordering/routing like in rails. I had to guess debug a lot to identify the source of files. Mongo was a pain to work it. My biggest issue was speed. It took a long time to reload after changes. From this experience I am not interested to work on meteor.

emerongi 11y ago

Exact same experience. Development is easy and frustration-free. The team listens to the community AND delivers. The platform is not just for playing around anymore, it has matured really well. See the case studies[1] - I, for example, love Hansoft X[2]. I think I would feel frustrated to have to go back to any other framework. Meteor is what web-development should be like. I'm not sure if Meteor is going to be THE platform everyone is going to use, but it definitely is completely changing the game and I suspect web-developers will be adopting the Meteor ethos. [1] https://www.meteor.com/case-studies/build-apps-with-meteor https://www.meteor.com/case-studies/build-apps-with-meteor [2] https://hansoftx.com/ https://hansoftx.com/

JaakkoP 11y ago
Same experience here as well. I don't think either that Meteor is going to become de facto platform for all web development, but it's definitely going to be one of the main ones along with Angular, React and Rails.
- djmashko2 11y ago
  I'm curious - do you think there is room for someone to come along with the right combination of stuff to become the "de facto platform for all web development"? It's interesting also that people always talk about Rails but don't mention JSP and .NET, which I think are actually a lot more popular last time I looked around. I guess it depends on who you ask. I feel like JavaScript is in a sweet spot right now because it has the inherent advantage of being the _only_ language you can run inside a browser, so you can do things with it that would be very hard or complicated in other languages.
  - sotojuan 11y ago
    I honestly think that with some good marketing, Meteor can be on top when they get SQL support.
    - JaakkoP 11y ago
      That's a good point. While I love Mongo, a lot of developers won't even consider Meteor since it has only NoSQL support.
      - uptownJimmy 11y ago
        I've wondered to myself a few times: perhaps Meteor would be even more popular than it presently is, if it had not been chained to MongoDB from the start. Even a different NoSQL db would probably have been a more popular/respected choice, at this point. And, though I know this has been said before, it bears repeating: most developers who deal with data on a regular basis are best advised to go ahead and get comfortable with SQL. So far, it is BY FAR the best solution to the great majority of data-storage-and-retrieval use cases. I'm no expert, tis true, but I don't see JSON objects replacing SQL any time soon. So, yes: as soon as Meteor includes official support for one of the SQL platforms, I'm all over it. It seems very promising, for those of us not locked in a death-rattle of foaming, red-faced JavaScript hatred.
  - JaakkoP 11y ago
    Good question. I think Meteor is certainly the closest of such platform at the moment, but you don't have to go far to find a developer who really hates JavaScript and will never switch over. Such hate may or may not be justified, but you won't easily change their minds. At the same time, there are people - including me - who only develop with JS with no real need to switch over to something else. I wish I had a more educated answer (guess?), since this is all just anecdata.
    - lostPixels 11y ago
      Has anyone built an Ecommerce platform in Meteor? Meteor is just this months hotness for building a specific type of web product, namely web apps. It's not going to become the defacto standard of anything else.
- JPKab 11y ago
  I'm a data guy whose realized that all of the fancy data stuff in the world tends to be useless without a UI. I don't have time to put all of my effort into web apps, because then I'd have to take my focus off the data/business functions piece. Meteor has been perfect for me. It works, I can easily integrate with it via the Mongo back-end, and the prototyping is super-fast. For the kinds of apps that I build (very industry specific apps for retail) I don't really have to worry about scaling to thousands of users, which means that Meteor isn't just a toy in my world. And even if I did have to scale, everything about the Meteor framework indicates that scaling Meteor is no different than scaling any other Node app. When Postgres support comes, (its in the works) I'll be using this thing for everything.
debaserab2 11y ago
Still waiting for the killer testimonial for meteor, until then I'd be too scared to try it with anything larger than a prototype or brochure site. I don't want to be the first person attacking a completely new class of scaling problems using a proprietary tech stack that I may or may not have the ability to control.
- kentonv 11y ago
  What do you mean by "proprietary"?
  - debaserab2 11y ago
    Proprietary is the wrong word, as it is open source. The right word would be "immature", as meteor is an entire tech stack that hasn't been battle hardened by years or decades of other software that currently exists in other tech stacks. The other piece is the meteor stack is designed to be hosted by meteor. Sure, you can, in theory, run everything yourself - but I haven't seen good case studies of that. What do you do when your app blows up and suddenly the hosting costs of meteor is too much of an overhead?
    - joshowens 11y ago
      You can easily use things like Heroku and Modulus to host your site. I think perhaps you are misinformed about your options and should read up a bit more. I use Digital Ocean with MUP and it works great with minimal efforts.
      - debaserab2 11y ago
        What options did I miss? What kind of load does that app you host on digital ocean have? Edit: I'm not at all suggesting that isn't possible to self host a meteor app, I am saying that I don't know what the "beaten path" is for other companies/apps/products that have self hosted a meteor app to a significant scale.
    - kentonv 11y ago

daveroberts 11y ago

How often do you use npm packages which are not part of atmosphere? I remember this not working great. Have things changed?

hn_user2 11y ago
Works great. Just isn't part of core. Meteor core is stubbornly trying to force use of atmosphere for everything. But everyine I know immediately installs https://github.com/meteorhacks/npm https://github.com/meteorhacks/npm which allows for using regular npm packages. I think inevitably the meteor team will bring this into core, or something similar, and we will be able to have our mix of atmosphere and non libraries.
- daveroberts 11y ago
  Thanks. Should any other packages be in core that are not?
  - hn_user2 11y ago
    A router. But I don't think the community has quite solidified around a single router yet. Iron-Router was the lead for a while. I don't think these should necessarily be in core, but here is my list of pretty much always-installed modules: stevezhu:lodash iron:router meteorhacks:npm meteorhacks:async aldeed:collection2 aldeed:autoform aldeed:tabular xolvio:cucumber yogiben:admin
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ocean3 11y ago

I had totally different experience. I don't have much experience on meteor just working on some tasks for a meteor project. Hence issues might be related to it as well. But I felt it was very amateurish, there was no proper ordering/routing like in rails. I had to guess debug a lot to identify the source of files. Mongo was a pain to work it. My biggest issue was speed. It took a long time to reload after changes. From this experience I am not interested to work on meteor.