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Er, no, the transliteration of "ö" to "oe" does not change the sound. This is considered a feature of the orthography of German, and you see this kind of thing

by nrr 11y ago

Er, no, the transliteration of "ö" to "oe" does not change the sound. This is considered a feature of the orthography of German, and you see this kind of thing in, e.g., crossword puzzles.

StavrosK 11y ago
I meant transliteration to English. No English speaker will pronounce the o with the umlaut, so you have to pick how you want English speakers to pronounce your word from the two alternatives above. Bro-li sounds much better to me than bro-ee-li.
- TillE 11y ago
  English speakers don't pronounce "oe" as a diphthong either.
  - _delirium 11y ago
    Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't. It doesn't really have any consistent English pronunciation, since it appears in a bunch of different morphological contexts, and in loanwords from at least five or six different languages. Some examples: phoenix (1 syllable, 'ee'), Zoe (2 syllables, 'oh-ee'), Joe (1 syllable, 'oh'), Joel (either 1 or 2 syllables, depending on schwa insertion), canoe (1 syllable, 'oo'), Dostoevsky (2 syllables, 'oh-eh' or 'oh-yeh'), coed (2 syllables, 'oh-eh'), etc. If I saw something like Broetli and didn't immediately recognize the Germanic origin, I could see myself easily misanalyzing it as Bro-etli and pronouncing it that way.
- anentropic 11y ago
  Except... 'oe' at the end of words is rare in English, but when we have it we pronounce it like 'o' eg: hoe sloe (both rhyme with 'bro') to get a 'bro-ee' effect you'd need a 'oey' or some other spelling
  - StavrosK 11y ago
    Are you saying you'd pronounce "broetli" as "brotli"? I think that puts you in a very small minority.
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biafra 11y ago
And even earlier the ö was transliterated from oe. The e was pulled on top of the o. The e was then changed to two dots. Probably because of laziness. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanic_umlaut#Orthography_and_design_history https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanic_umlaut#Orthography_an...

by nrr 11y ago

Er, no, the transliteration of "ö" to "oe" does not change the sound. This is considered a feature of the orthography of German, and you see this kind of thing in, e.g., crossword puzzles.

StavrosK 11y ago

I meant transliteration to English. No English speaker will pronounce the o with the umlaut, so you have to pick how you want English speakers to pronounce your word from the two alternatives above. Bro-li sounds much better to me than bro-ee-li.

TillE 11y ago
English speakers don't pronounce "oe" as a diphthong either.
- _delirium 11y ago
  Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't. It doesn't really have any consistent English pronunciation, since it appears in a bunch of different morphological contexts, and in loanwords from at least five or six different languages. Some examples: phoenix (1 syllable, 'ee'), Zoe (2 syllables, 'oh-ee'), Joe (1 syllable, 'oh'), Joel (either 1 or 2 syllables, depending on schwa insertion), canoe (1 syllable, 'oo'), Dostoevsky (2 syllables, 'oh-eh' or 'oh-yeh'), coed (2 syllables, 'oh-eh'), etc. If I saw something like Broetli and didn't immediately recognize the Germanic origin, I could see myself easily misanalyzing it as Bro-etli and pronouncing it that way.
anentropic 11y ago
Except... 'oe' at the end of words is rare in English, but when we have it we pronounce it like 'o' eg: hoe sloe (both rhyme with 'bro') to get a 'bro-ee' effect you'd need a 'oey' or some other spelling
- StavrosK 11y ago
  Are you saying you'd pronounce "broetli" as "brotli"? I think that puts you in a very small minority.
- deleted 11y ago
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biafra 11y ago

And even earlier the ö was transliterated from oe. The e was pulled on top of the o. The e was then changed to two dots. Probably because of laziness. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanic_umlaut#Orthography_and_design_history https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanic_umlaut#Orthography_an...