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You forgot the part where it's used to harass and chase people you might consider to be 'fascists'. Where it's justified for the Gulag ;-) But if you want to k

by seivan 11y ago

You forgot the part where it's used to harass and chase people you might consider to be 'fascists'. Where it's justified for the Gulag ;-) But if you want to keep thinking it's about respect and not abused by people, sure, that's pretty noble.

Frondo 11y ago
As far as I know, the political correctness police don't actually send anyone to forced labor camps, because, of course, no such thing exists. As for being harassed or chased, again, it seems like, if there's any merit to that accusation of harassment or "chasing," the beleaguered not-politically-correct victims of that could, you know, call the cops or file a restraining order or whatever. Those are actual real-world behaviors you're accusing the political correctness police of making, but I guess I just don't buy it. Well-meaning, respectful people are being "harassed" or "chased" by some foul political correctness police? Pull the other one, it's got bells on.
- seivan 11y ago
  Yeah no forced labor/torture camps exist today. And people aren't put in them for their unpopular views such as atheism or satire. And if a person wants to state something crude and obviously insensitive and get sent to a forced labour camp, it's their own God damn fault for being insensitive to the dear leader(s) You don't get sent to a forced labour camp in civilised countries. You get ostracised, to be fair they probably deserved to be silenced because they are bigots.
- dennisnedry 11y ago
  Here's an example of the "political correct police" - Twitter shaming. Somebody says something satirical and they are assigned a "label". This was the case with Justine Sacco. Jerry Seinfeld and Chris Rock refuse to perform at universities, citing that the students there "can't take a joke due to political correctness". There isn't a regulating force in the USA for being PC; however, there are social ramifications that lead to real life consequences.
  - rustynails 11y ago
    Or, watch the Google Science Fair awards for 2015. The Bolivian teacher that won an award said she supported "girls", I assumed it was a girls school until i saw a glimpse of a boy momentarily. No one blinked an eye, but my first thought was "how do those poor boys feel being ostracised like that, especially when it's done on purpose". That's political correctness says it's fine to discriminate against boys. Thankfully, other than one slip up by a Google employee (who corrected herself quickly), it was well balanced across genders and nationalities.
  - Frondo 11y ago
    If twitter shaming is the punishment that the PC police can dole out, I would deem them the least consequential force for justice in the history of the world. It's actually kind of difficult to believe that you're really saying that--the PC police can't lock you up, can't send you to the gulag, but they can shame you on twitter! That's no consequence. That's nothing. As for Seinfeld not getting much of a laugh out of college kids anymore, I'd say he made the critical error of having dated, boring material. Humor's always changing, comics (unless they want to move into the corporate retreat humor circuit) got to keep up with the times. Telling the audience they're in the wrong for not finding the old material funny? Now that's a good joke.
    - Nadya 11y ago
      >It's actually kind of difficult to believe that you're really saying that--the PC police can't lock you up, can't send you to the gulag, but they can shame you on twitter! That's no consequence. That's nothing. Which leads to job loss and career damage because you have a mob of 10,000 twats with nothing better to do than complain on Twitter to anyone who even so much as thinks of hiring your "racist ass" because you shared an article about the military armor having chinks in it [0]. Or do you think the Army was being racist? That's what people are terming as "PC" and "overly PC". >Telling the audience they're in the wrong for not finding the old material funny? Now that's a good joke. Comedy and tragedy go hand in hand. When someone is unable to make humor out of tragedy - you lose comedy. There is a reason that, outside of wordplay, most jokes play on disasters, stereotypes or outrageous scenarios. If you think you know a joke that isn't a play on words or isn't based on a stereotype, feel free to share it. I can't even think of one. While I do have some respect for rakugo performances [1], it's not something a lot of people can get into. An entire comedy based on nothing but wordplay and puns only fits a niche audience. Maybe more people who do nothing but puns and dry humor should tell jokes at college campuses? Joke: "I spilled some spot remover on my dog. Now he's gone." Expected College Campus Reaction: "Animal abuse!!!" Nevermind. Dry humor off limits too. The college niche dislikes politically incorrect jokes. While colleges have always leaned pretty liberal, in recent years academia has gone absolutely crazy over gender/identity politics. Anyone who so much as laughs at a potentially-racist-joke gets shunned by their peers as a racist. So yes, it's fair to say "college kids are just too PC for the jokes" when they're still successful everywhere else and even among the same age range but with different, and less PC-extreme, political leanings. [0] http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-army-deletes-tweet-after-accusations-of-racism-only-to-provoke-more-anger-10016273.html http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-army-del... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rakugo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rakugo

by seivan 11y ago

Frondo 11y ago

As far as I know, the political correctness police don't actually send anyone to forced labor camps, because, of course, no such thing exists. As for being harassed or chased, again, it seems like, if there's any merit to that accusation of harassment or "chasing," the beleaguered not-politically-correct victims of that could, you know, call the cops or file a restraining order or whatever. Those are actual real-world behaviors you're accusing the political correctness police of making, but I guess I just don't buy it. Well-meaning, respectful people are being "harassed" or "chased" by some foul political correctness police? Pull the other one, it's got bells on.

seivan 11y ago
Yeah no forced labor/torture camps exist today. And people aren't put in them for their unpopular views such as atheism or satire. And if a person wants to state something crude and obviously insensitive and get sent to a forced labour camp, it's their own God damn fault for being insensitive to the dear leader(s) You don't get sent to a forced labour camp in civilised countries. You get ostracised, to be fair they probably deserved to be silenced because they are bigots.
dennisnedry 11y ago
Here's an example of the "political correct police" - Twitter shaming. Somebody says something satirical and they are assigned a "label". This was the case with Justine Sacco. Jerry Seinfeld and Chris Rock refuse to perform at universities, citing that the students there "can't take a joke due to political correctness". There isn't a regulating force in the USA for being PC; however, there are social ramifications that lead to real life consequences.
- rustynails 11y ago
  Or, watch the Google Science Fair awards for 2015. The Bolivian teacher that won an award said she supported "girls", I assumed it was a girls school until i saw a glimpse of a boy momentarily. No one blinked an eye, but my first thought was "how do those poor boys feel being ostracised like that, especially when it's done on purpose". That's political correctness says it's fine to discriminate against boys. Thankfully, other than one slip up by a Google employee (who corrected herself quickly), it was well balanced across genders and nationalities.
- Frondo 11y ago
  If twitter shaming is the punishment that the PC police can dole out, I would deem them the least consequential force for justice in the history of the world. It's actually kind of difficult to believe that you're really saying that--the PC police can't lock you up, can't send you to the gulag, but they can shame you on twitter! That's no consequence. That's nothing. As for Seinfeld not getting much of a laugh out of college kids anymore, I'd say he made the critical error of having dated, boring material. Humor's always changing, comics (unless they want to move into the corporate retreat humor circuit) got to keep up with the times. Telling the audience they're in the wrong for not finding the old material funny? Now that's a good joke.
  - Nadya 11y ago
    >It's actually kind of difficult to believe that you're really saying that--the PC police can't lock you up, can't send you to the gulag, but they can shame you on twitter! That's no consequence. That's nothing. Which leads to job loss and career damage because you have a mob of 10,000 twats with nothing better to do than complain on Twitter to anyone who even so much as thinks of hiring your "racist ass" because you shared an article about the military armor having chinks in it [0]. Or do you think the Army was being racist? That's what people are terming as "PC" and "overly PC". >Telling the audience they're in the wrong for not finding the old material funny? Now that's a good joke. Comedy and tragedy go hand in hand. When someone is unable to make humor out of tragedy - you lose comedy. There is a reason that, outside of wordplay, most jokes play on disasters, stereotypes or outrageous scenarios. If you think you know a joke that isn't a play on words or isn't based on a stereotype, feel free to share it. I can't even think of one. While I do have some respect for rakugo performances [1], it's not something a lot of people can get into. An entire comedy based on nothing but wordplay and puns only fits a niche audience. Maybe more people who do nothing but puns and dry humor should tell jokes at college campuses? Joke: "I spilled some spot remover on my dog. Now he's gone." Expected College Campus Reaction: "Animal abuse!!!" Nevermind. Dry humor off limits too. The college niche dislikes politically incorrect jokes. While colleges have always leaned pretty liberal, in recent years academia has gone absolutely crazy over gender/identity politics. Anyone who so much as laughs at a potentially-racist-joke gets shunned by their peers as a racist. So yes, it's fair to say "college kids are just too PC for the jokes" when they're still successful everywhere else and even among the same age range but with different, and less PC-extreme, political leanings. [0] http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-army-deletes-tweet-after-accusations-of-racism-only-to-provoke-more-anger-10016273.html http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-army-del... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rakugo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rakugo