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Exactly. Despite what media wants people to believe, may are sick and tired of political correctness and bending down to everyone's demands for anything. And Tr

Exactly. Despite what media wants people to believe, may are sick and tired of political correctness and bending down to everyone's demands for anything. And Trump caught on to that and just throws vague remarks here and there in that direction. And desperate voters say "fuck it, he might just be crazy enough to not go back to the same line all the other presidents come back to after they are elected". Same with Sanders. Just on the opposite side. He found a niche where he can cater to extremely politically correct liberals and minorities, who also feel misrepresented and feel that america is actually not liberal enough. He has to actually make an impression that he is listening to the voters if he wants to get any attention at all, since he is not getting that much media attention. Both cases I think shows people are tired of lack of options. Main party candidates seem to be utterly incompetent, like Hilary, others seem to just continue what has been done before, so there's dissatisfaction and search for something to shake up the system. Trump fits it well.

ant6n 11y ago
"(...) liberals and minorities, who also feel (...) america is actually not liberal enough" Are you serious? America is basically a conservative, corrupt dystopia.
- hkmurakami 11y ago
  Same sex couple rights and and women's rights are, while not world-leading, ahead of many countries.
  - Synaesthesia 11y ago
    But by social standards America is not liberal at all. Labor laws are very pro-business, very few labourers are unionized, and education costs are very high and health costs are way higher than other 1st world countries, despite spending as much or more on it. There is no real labour party or left leaning party.
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    - theorique 11y ago
      So it's not Communist in the same way as Europe. There are a lot of social programs and subsidies, though. Arrive illegally and watch the abundance of state and federal programs intended to help you, all funded by the US taxpayer.
  - rustynails 11y ago
    Speaking of political correctness, who do people tolerate women's rights? It's just another excuse for sexism. I support the rights of all people (which encapsulates men and women). If you want a level playing field, you have to think beyond gender, skin colour, sexual orientation, etc. when we stop terms like women's rights, I know we've progressed beyond political correctness. I can't wait for that day.
    - zamalek 11y ago
      At the moment women tend to be more discriminated against. Focus on the problems you know; however, in line with what you said you can't fix inequality by trading one group's rights with another (aka affirmative action) else you're just going to tip the scales the other way - eventually spiraling into an all-out revenge fest (which is happening in some countries that are dealing with racial inequality). This is where we are headed if we don't tread carefully.
- mjfl 11y ago
  > America is basically a conservative, corrupt dystopia. America is a country of 320 million people with a median income of $51,939. A place where people are literally flooding to legally and illegally to get a piece of the prosperity. It a place that in the past 60 years invented the transistor, the personal computer, satellite communication, the internet, chemotherapy, lasers, fiber optics, countless pharmaceutical drugs, the iPhone and Android mobile devices, the list keeps going. Doesn't sound any dystopia I've ever heard of.
PhasmaFelis 11y ago
The USA is deeply conservative compared to most other first-world nations. Our left-wing presidents look like other countries' right-wing. Up to you whether you think that's good or bad, but read some international news and get your facts straight.
- wfo 11y ago
  Our left-wing presidents look like our right-wing presidents from 20 years ago in fact. If Reagan or Eisenhower were running they today would be considered extremist left wing communists far too liberal to ever be elected.
  - dragonwriter 11y ago
    > Our left-wing presidents look like our right-wing presidents from 20 years ago in fact. Not really. Obama's policies are a lot more like Clinton than either Bush (the closest thing to "right-wing presidents" on either side of 20 years ago) -- including doing some of the things the right-wing opposed Clinton's efforts to do or move toward (both domestically, like Health Care Reform, and in foreign policy, like normalizing relations with Cuba.) > If Reagan or Eisenhower were running they today would be considered extremist left wing communists far too liberal to ever be elected. Well, modern Republicans might see a candidate with their views that way, though Reagan was pretty significantly to the right of Obama, who manifestly is not "far too liberal to ever be elected".
- ende 11y ago
  This is a popular thing to say but it really isn't true. Right wing parties in Europe are far more right-wing than the American right. The Democratic Party is comparable to any other social democratic party in Europe: the UK Labour Party, the German SDP, the Swedish SAP, etc. What America lacks that most European countries have is a true centrist Liberal party. This tends to be obfuscated in American politics due its unfortunate misuse of the word Liberal.
lsc 11y ago
>Despite what media wants people to believe, may are sick and tired of political correctness and bending down to everyone's demands for anything. If you are an average straight white man, yeah, it sure looks like things aren't getting better. Your wages haven't increased much at all (adjusted for inflation) since the '70s. And yeah, women and the gays and men who aren't white (though, I think it's mostly women; there are just so many more of them) are making gains every day... if trends continue, it won't be much longer before those people make as much as we do! and now they want to be treated with respect, too? Christ, when will it end! I mean, sure, I laugh at those who have this 'white rage' for complaining that we, as white men, are now expected to treat other people with a base level of respect (as that, at root, is the intent of political correctness.) - At least where I live, this expectation is phrased more like "Please consider that women are humans too, you know, if it's not too much trouble" than anything really threatening to the status quo. But there are a lot of people who feel genuine rage. And I don't know... My own opinion is informed by the fact that I make really good money and work in an industry where I get a really obvious (and fairly large) bonus for being a white male. Would I feel that rage if I had to struggle to make ends meet? If I had to seriously compete with women in the workplace? I like to think I wouldn't, but who knows?
- camelite 11y ago
  Google 'trump polls women'. Then reassess.
  - lsc 11y ago
    yeah, and I see a lot of references to how well he does among "GOP women" or women who vote republican already. That's a rather different sort, I think. (interestingly, I see a bunch of references to the idea that a reasonably large percentage of women identify as democrats.)
    - camelite 11y ago
      Still, a sizable number of women, correct? Do you agree they might already know they're people too, and like Trump for reasons other than "white rage" or being expected to treat women and minorities decently?
Frondo 11y ago
Political correctness, as far as I've been able to tell, boils down in most cases to: be respectful in how you treat people, because the ubiquitous disrespect shown to women/minorities/gays/whoever is no longer considered appropriate or praiseworthy. I don't think I've ever heard someone complain about political correctness run amok, and had it turn out that they weren't just complaining--in careful language, mind--about uppity black people or women trying to rise above their station (i.e. the kitchen). You might not be referring to that, of course. What do you mean about "sick and tired of political correctness"? And what demands are being made that are so burdensome? Is it the stuff about not assuming muslims are terrorists, or not assuming brown people are illegals? Is it the bit about not tossing around phrases like "anchor babies," or the thing about putting a woman on a common denomination of currency?
- seivan 11y ago
  You forgot the part where it's used to harass and chase people you might consider to be 'fascists'. Where it's justified for the Gulag ;-) But if you want to keep thinking it's about respect and not abused by people, sure, that's pretty noble.
  - Frondo 11y ago
    As far as I know, the political correctness police don't actually send anyone to forced labor camps, because, of course, no such thing exists. As for being harassed or chased, again, it seems like, if there's any merit to that accusation of harassment or "chasing," the beleaguered not-politically-correct victims of that could, you know, call the cops or file a restraining order or whatever. Those are actual real-world behaviors you're accusing the political correctness police of making, but I guess I just don't buy it. Well-meaning, respectful people are being "harassed" or "chased" by some foul political correctness police? Pull the other one, it's got bells on.
    - seivan 11y ago
      Yeah no forced labor/torture camps exist today. And people aren't put in them for their unpopular views such as atheism or satire. And if a person wants to state something crude and obviously insensitive and get sent to a forced labour camp, it's their own God damn fault for being insensitive to the dear leader(s) You don't get sent to a forced labour camp in civilised countries. You get ostracised, to be fair they probably deserved to be silenced because they are bigots.
RodericDay 11y ago
I'm not American, but I honestly can't believe some people actually process their political worldview in terms of "political correctness". The term is openly slanderous (ie: none of Sander's proponents would say they are "for political correctness"). It's like the reactionary wing of an entire generation grew up getting their political education from watching South Park.

ant6n 11y ago

"(...) liberals and minorities, who also feel (...) america is actually not liberal enough" Are you serious? America is basically a conservative, corrupt dystopia.

hkmurakami 11y ago
Same sex couple rights and and women's rights are, while not world-leading, ahead of many countries.
- Synaesthesia 11y ago
  But by social standards America is not liberal at all. Labor laws are very pro-business, very few labourers are unionized, and education costs are very high and health costs are way higher than other 1st world countries, despite spending as much or more on it. There is no real labour party or left leaning party.
  - deleted 11y ago
    [deleted]
  - theorique 11y ago
    So it's not Communist in the same way as Europe. There are a lot of social programs and subsidies, though. Arrive illegally and watch the abundance of state and federal programs intended to help you, all funded by the US taxpayer.
- rustynails 11y ago
  Speaking of political correctness, who do people tolerate women's rights? It's just another excuse for sexism. I support the rights of all people (which encapsulates men and women). If you want a level playing field, you have to think beyond gender, skin colour, sexual orientation, etc. when we stop terms like women's rights, I know we've progressed beyond political correctness. I can't wait for that day.
  - zamalek 11y ago
    At the moment women tend to be more discriminated against. Focus on the problems you know; however, in line with what you said you can't fix inequality by trading one group's rights with another (aka affirmative action) else you're just going to tip the scales the other way - eventually spiraling into an all-out revenge fest (which is happening in some countries that are dealing with racial inequality). This is where we are headed if we don't tread carefully.
mjfl 11y ago
> America is basically a conservative, corrupt dystopia. America is a country of 320 million people with a median income of $51,939. A place where people are literally flooding to legally and illegally to get a piece of the prosperity. It a place that in the past 60 years invented the transistor, the personal computer, satellite communication, the internet, chemotherapy, lasers, fiber optics, countless pharmaceutical drugs, the iPhone and Android mobile devices, the list keeps going. Doesn't sound any dystopia I've ever heard of.

PhasmaFelis 11y ago

The USA is deeply conservative compared to most other first-world nations. Our left-wing presidents look like other countries' right-wing. Up to you whether you think that's good or bad, but read some international news and get your facts straight.

wfo 11y ago
Our left-wing presidents look like our right-wing presidents from 20 years ago in fact. If Reagan or Eisenhower were running they today would be considered extremist left wing communists far too liberal to ever be elected.
- dragonwriter 11y ago
  > Our left-wing presidents look like our right-wing presidents from 20 years ago in fact. Not really. Obama's policies are a lot more like Clinton than either Bush (the closest thing to "right-wing presidents" on either side of 20 years ago) -- including doing some of the things the right-wing opposed Clinton's efforts to do or move toward (both domestically, like Health Care Reform, and in foreign policy, like normalizing relations with Cuba.) > If Reagan or Eisenhower were running they today would be considered extremist left wing communists far too liberal to ever be elected. Well, modern Republicans might see a candidate with their views that way, though Reagan was pretty significantly to the right of Obama, who manifestly is not "far too liberal to ever be elected".
ende 11y ago
This is a popular thing to say but it really isn't true. Right wing parties in Europe are far more right-wing than the American right. The Democratic Party is comparable to any other social democratic party in Europe: the UK Labour Party, the German SDP, the Swedish SAP, etc. What America lacks that most European countries have is a true centrist Liberal party. This tends to be obfuscated in American politics due its unfortunate misuse of the word Liberal.

lsc 11y ago

>Despite what media wants people to believe, may are sick and tired of political correctness and bending down to everyone's demands for anything. If you are an average straight white man, yeah, it sure looks like things aren't getting better. Your wages haven't increased much at all (adjusted for inflation) since the '70s. And yeah, women and the gays and men who aren't white (though, I think it's mostly women; there are just so many more of them) are making gains every day... if trends continue, it won't be much longer before those people make as much as we do! and now they want to be treated with respect, too? Christ, when will it end! I mean, sure, I laugh at those who have this 'white rage' for complaining that we, as white men, are now expected to treat other people with a base level of respect (as that, at root, is the intent of political correctness.) - At least where I live, this expectation is phrased more like "Please consider that women are humans too, you know, if it's not too much trouble" than anything really threatening to the status quo. But there are a lot of people who feel genuine rage. And I don't know... My own opinion is informed by the fact that I make really good money and work in an industry where I get a really obvious (and fairly large) bonus for being a white male. Would I feel that rage if I had to struggle to make ends meet? If I had to seriously compete with women in the workplace? I like to think I wouldn't, but who knows?

camelite 11y ago
Google 'trump polls women'. Then reassess.
- lsc 11y ago
  yeah, and I see a lot of references to how well he does among "GOP women" or women who vote republican already. That's a rather different sort, I think. (interestingly, I see a bunch of references to the idea that a reasonably large percentage of women identify as democrats.)
  - camelite 11y ago
    Still, a sizable number of women, correct? Do you agree they might already know they're people too, and like Trump for reasons other than "white rage" or being expected to treat women and minorities decently?

Frondo 11y ago

Political correctness, as far as I've been able to tell, boils down in most cases to: be respectful in how you treat people, because the ubiquitous disrespect shown to women/minorities/gays/whoever is no longer considered appropriate or praiseworthy. I don't think I've ever heard someone complain about political correctness run amok, and had it turn out that they weren't just complaining--in careful language, mind--about uppity black people or women trying to rise above their station (i.e. the kitchen). You might not be referring to that, of course. What do you mean about "sick and tired of political correctness"? And what demands are being made that are so burdensome? Is it the stuff about not assuming muslims are terrorists, or not assuming brown people are illegals? Is it the bit about not tossing around phrases like "anchor babies," or the thing about putting a woman on a common denomination of currency?

seivan 11y ago
You forgot the part where it's used to harass and chase people you might consider to be 'fascists'. Where it's justified for the Gulag ;-) But if you want to keep thinking it's about respect and not abused by people, sure, that's pretty noble.
- Frondo 11y ago
  As far as I know, the political correctness police don't actually send anyone to forced labor camps, because, of course, no such thing exists. As for being harassed or chased, again, it seems like, if there's any merit to that accusation of harassment or "chasing," the beleaguered not-politically-correct victims of that could, you know, call the cops or file a restraining order or whatever. Those are actual real-world behaviors you're accusing the political correctness police of making, but I guess I just don't buy it. Well-meaning, respectful people are being "harassed" or "chased" by some foul political correctness police? Pull the other one, it's got bells on.
  - seivan 11y ago
    Yeah no forced labor/torture camps exist today. And people aren't put in them for their unpopular views such as atheism or satire. And if a person wants to state something crude and obviously insensitive and get sent to a forced labour camp, it's their own God damn fault for being insensitive to the dear leader(s) You don't get sent to a forced labour camp in civilised countries. You get ostracised, to be fair they probably deserved to be silenced because they are bigots.

RodericDay 11y ago

I'm not American, but I honestly can't believe some people actually process their political worldview in terms of "political correctness". The term is openly slanderous (ie: none of Sander's proponents would say they are "for political correctness"). It's like the reactionary wing of an entire generation grew up getting their political education from watching South Park.