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It's well-understood that if your heart stops for a few minutes, your brain dies. Since his brain didn't die, we can conclude that his heart never stopped. A h

by cjensen 11y ago

It's well-understood that if your heart stops for a few minutes, your brain dies. Since his brain didn't die, we can conclude that his heart never stopped. A human cannot live without water for the length of time claimed. Therefore we can conclude that the yogi is a liar. The letter prints out some of the EKGs, but declines to show the moment when the flatline occurs, and the moment when the heart is again detected.[1] You now have four facts: (1) the yogi's heart did not stop, (2) the EKG lead showed no activity, (3) the yogi is a habitual deceiver and (4) the most important data is intentionally hidden from the reader Do you still feel confident that the yogi did not disconnect the leads? [1] An alternative explanation would be that this 1973-era EKG machine did not make continuous recordings, in which case it defies reason to claim that it was watched carefully enough to rule out irregularities during the transition to/from flatline.

jtriangle 11y ago
You're making an awful lot of assumptions to arrive at your conclusion. You have exactly as much evidence as is provided in the article and therefore can't make the claim that he did not. Of your points above, only point 1 is based in any sort of fact which relies on a current understanding of how a human heart functions. Therefore, the point you're making is that a human heart cannot be consciously stopped because a human heart cannot be consciously controlled. With the current data you've been provided all you can do is conclude that the test was flawed, not that what the test suggested was true or false.
PhasmaFelis 11y ago
> A human cannot live without water for the length of time claimed. This does not appear to be accurate, based on a few minutes on Google. It's unlikely but possible for humans to live more than a week with no water.
phaemon 11y ago
> A human cannot live without water for the length of time claimed. This is factually incorrect. We know of people who have survived longer without water. > Therefore we can conclude that the yogi is a liar. Therefore I can conclude you are a liar?
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khed 11y ago
You are make a fallacious argument. Your first point is just taking your conclusion for granted. Your third point is just assumed, not proven. People have survived at least 40 minutes with circulatory arrest. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_B%C3%A5genholm https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_B%C3%A5genholm EKG machines have been capable of continuous read outs since before this research was published. It is entirely reasonable to be mildly skeptical of research. But with a clear grounding for your bayesian priors, extreme skepticism becomes inimical to the search for truth. That said, I would like to see the EKG during the "transition" periods.
- cjensen 11y ago
  Yes, being nearly frozen is an exception to the rule, but since there was no mention of a glacier or extensive snow in the report, I thought it reasonable to ignore that possibility.
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by cjensen 11y ago

jtriangle 11y ago

You're making an awful lot of assumptions to arrive at your conclusion. You have exactly as much evidence as is provided in the article and therefore can't make the claim that he did not. Of your points above, only point 1 is based in any sort of fact which relies on a current understanding of how a human heart functions. Therefore, the point you're making is that a human heart cannot be consciously stopped because a human heart cannot be consciously controlled. With the current data you've been provided all you can do is conclude that the test was flawed, not that what the test suggested was true or false.

PhasmaFelis 11y ago

> A human cannot live without water for the length of time claimed. This does not appear to be accurate, based on a few minutes on Google. It's unlikely but possible for humans to live more than a week with no water.

phaemon 11y ago

> A human cannot live without water for the length of time claimed. This is factually incorrect. We know of people who have survived longer without water. > Therefore we can conclude that the yogi is a liar. Therefore I can conclude you are a liar?

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khed 11y ago

You are make a fallacious argument. Your first point is just taking your conclusion for granted. Your third point is just assumed, not proven. People have survived at least 40 minutes with circulatory arrest. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_B%C3%A5genholm https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_B%C3%A5genholm EKG machines have been capable of continuous read outs since before this research was published. It is entirely reasonable to be mildly skeptical of research. But with a clear grounding for your bayesian priors, extreme skepticism becomes inimical to the search for truth. That said, I would like to see the EKG during the "transition" periods.

cjensen 11y ago
Yes, being nearly frozen is an exception to the rule, but since there was no mention of a glacier or extensive snow in the report, I thought it reasonable to ignore that possibility.
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