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As amazing as her accomplishment is, I feel kind of sad for her. "Holmes has taken a similar life-hack approach to every aspect of her existence outside of her

As amazing as her accomplishment is, I feel kind of sad for her. "Holmes has taken a similar life-hack approach to every aspect of her existence outside of her lab test company, which is at best minimal, given that the 31-year-old works seven days a week. Holmes is a vegan because avoiding animal products allows her to function on less sleep. She says she "doesn't really hang out with anyone anymore," aside from her younger brother, who joined Theranos as a product manager four years ago. She didn't take a vacation during the entire decade of her 20s and doesn't date. "I literally designed my whole life for this,". She has no life but work. Not even friends or dating. She literally worked away her 20s which is one of the most exciting times of life. While it's fine to sacrifice for a while to get your business started, it doesn't sound like she has any plans to enjoy any part of her life outside of her work. I hope other entrepreneurs don't take her plan to heart and give up everything that makes life enjoyable. It should be a balance. Work hard but also enjoy the things that makes life worth living.

DevX101 11y ago
What makes you think she doesn't enjoy her work?
- onedev 11y ago
  Exploring the world outside of your core work is what gives you perspective. And perspective is very very important in building a business. Perspective and empathy, both of which cannot be "hacked" and can only be attained by truly living life and exploring the world.
  - CamperBob2 11y ago
    That sounds awfully prescriptive. You need to add "To me" to the beginning of that post.
  - nilkn 11y ago
    I feel like you're suggesting two things in this post: 1. Holmes does not have perspective due to her focus on work. 2. Perspective is needed to build a successful business. I think these are revealed to be inconsistent when we add in the following: 3. Holmes has already built a successful business. Since (3) is known to be true, at least one of (1) or (2) has to be thrown out or weakened. That said, I think DevX101 was focusing on her happiness and you were focusing on her success. We have no evidence that Holmes is happy. We only have evidence that she's been successful.
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qq66 11y ago
Would you say that someone who runs onto a train track to save a child, and is killed in the process, has made a wrong decision? They've sacrificed not only their 20s, but their whole lives, for the sake of someone else. Someone choosing to forgo personal pleasures to achieve something shouldn't be criticized for it, and should be celebrated if that thing benefits lots of other people. I don't know a lot about Theranos, but it seems like the idea is reduce blood testing costs tremendously -- if the CEO is sacrificing her personal life and dating life to bring better and cheaper healthcare to millions of people, that is an admirable sacrifice.
- wtvanhest 11y ago
  You are making the assumption that her decision to not date, or interact with any friends is beneficial to her mission. I'm a believer that as a person sleeps less and interacts less with others at best they see diminishing returns and at worst their productivity overall declines.
  - qq66 11y ago
    Not really, I'm assuming that if someone decides to not date, that it's a legitimate decision for them, and if they decide not to date because they want to achieve something big for themselves and for the world, well, all the better.
lpsz 11y ago
Surprised to see such a non-imaginative viewpoint on HN. Over what I feel like the last couple of decades, we've been taught that work == bad, life == good. You work because you have to, you trade time for money, you suffer from 9 to 5, you anxiously watch the clock, and then you go home and enjoy "life." I think this is sad. There's nothing wrong at all with productive work, and putting best years of your life into doing something creative like building your life's business.
- raverbashing 11y ago
  Work is good, sure, but there's more to life than it
  - lpsz 11y ago
    The point is that we've grown to mentally associate the word "work" with "doing chores for my boss because I have to." It's a dirty word, the way we use it. What about redefining this word to mean, for some individuals at least, "I'm pursuing my dream"?
    - ryandrake 11y ago
      It's not just a mental association. It's reality for nearly everyone on the planet. For the vast majority, work is something you're paid for that you would otherwise not be doing. That's why they call what you get in return "compensation". It's to compensate you for the time you spend doing what you otherwise wouldn't. If you get up in the morning to "pursue your dream" you're among a lucky fraction of a percent of the population.
  - pbreit 11y ago
    I coud see how her work is extremely satisfying and provides her with plenty of rich stimulation. It's not like she's a sole proprietor.
  - baq 11y ago
    for some there is, for some there isn't. i agree but i can totally understand that there are poeple who live to work.
oldmanjay 11y ago
As amazing as you think your empathy is, I suspect your comment comes from a sense of feeling superior because you are applying your value system in a place where it has no use at all.
- Frondo 11y ago
  Yeah, you're probably right, but I'd go so far as to place all empathy as coming from a place of superiority. Some poor guy can feel sorry for a rich dude because the poor guy knows his friends really like him and aren't just out for his money. The childless couple can feel sorry for how the couple with children has no free time, and the couple with kids can feel sorry for how the childless couple doesn't experience the joy of having a family, and so on, and so on. That said, I sure feel sorry for someone with no friends, romantic partners, or human engagement on anything outside their work. It may be rewarding, but it doesn't sound very fun. AND, if it's fun for them, then great! Different strokes and all. I hope they're as satisfied at the end of their days as I suspect I will be, looking back on life.
  - Retra 11y ago
    > I sure feel sorry for someone with no friends, romantic partners, or human engagement on anything outside their work. That would actually describe most of my life, including the parts where I wasn't being paid to work. However, the reason I didn't have those things is because, outside of work, all I think about is work. I don't want friends who don't want to talk about work, because it is the most important thing in my life. I don't want a romantic partner who doesn't want to work with me because my work is the top priority. I don't want human engagement outside of work because it is time I could put into my work. The bottom line is this: the best way for me to make the world a better, more enjoyable place for both myself and for others is for me to be successful at my work. Anything that detracts from that becomes stressful and frustrating to deal with, and ultimately feels pointless.
    - Frondo 11y ago
      That's great! How do you actually know you're making the world a better place for others, when all you talk about and think about is work? See, what gets me about that attitude is, that kind of closed-off attitude is what I took into my first few startups. It's a tunnel-vision kinda thing, where I was pushing my ideas out into the world, but not engaging as a person with people (who, I assure you, are not all so focused on work). It never worked well, because people all want a lot of different things, and rarely does that all just line up with what I want. But talking to people about their interests, listening and engaging with them on the human level? There's gold there, both in the friendships and the business that comes out of it.
breitling 11y ago
I imagine she is fully aware of this but chooses to work anyway. I don't understand that level of obsession, but good for her.
walshemj 11y ago
I take it she is taking the supplements to make up for a vegan diet?
- CamperBob2 11y ago
  It's hard to judge someone from a profile in a popular magazine. If you throw caution to the wind and attempt to judge her based on this particular article, you end up with an impression of someone who may not be, well, entirely stable and rational. Still, more power to her. For everything that seems a bit "off," such as the idea of being able to sleep less on a vegan diet, or the idea of crediting an unspecified god as a source of personal strength, there's also something about Holmes and her approach to her life and work that comes across as unadulterated awesomeness.
baq 11y ago
if i were younger, i'd agree... but now, i can only ask: why do you assume that you know better than her what life should be? why do you even care about life choices of someone you don't know? why does it matter so much that you had to comment about it? does it matter at all?
pervycreeper 11y ago
There are a lot of assumptions implicit in that post. Maybe (certainly.) she just has different values than you? Someone who reads Marcus Aurelius as a teenager probably won't be particularly attracted to hedonism or conformity as a lifestyle choice.
- jazzyk 11y ago
  Would it be hedonistic or would it make her less successful if she spent 1 hour/day hanging out with a significant other or her best friend? It would almost surely make her a better manager/leader, as leading involves other humans and gain a certain perspective on her business. Also, what happens if thing don't work out? Her company is not public, may not get the next round of funding and then what? Or there may be a hostile take-over and she will be left with a decent amount of money, but no business. And nobody to talk to.
msie 11y ago
I wish I had my 20s back. Spent too much time in startups.
Mz 11y ago
Some people enjoy working. Some people don't want romantic partners. Most so called friendships really aren't the deep, meaningful, supportive experience depicted in popular media. Most so called friends are really "fair weather friends" -- people to do something shallow and fun with, not someone who has your back when it counts. I thought her story was interesting because it does fit nicely with my understanding of why I did not have a successful career: Because I supported my husband's career and devotedly raised our two children. I don't regret that and I hope the world will eventually come up with answers better than "A woman can have a career OR a family." But given how many men have a career and not much of a relationship to their children, I don't feel like that is a thing society imposes on women only. I feel like that is rooted in the reality that there are only so many hours in the day and both parenting and a serious career are big time sinks. Serious careers tend to consume your life. Most good parents have intentionally made choices that put family first, at the expense of "getting ahead." Middle class families -- a shrinking minority at this point -- are the ones that tend to be best for kids. At least according to one study, you see as much neglect and drug abuse in wealthy neighborhoods as you do in the ghetto. Life is richer when we embrace diversity. Some people like putting all their time into their work. I hope her work winds up being a net benefit for the world, as she seems to envision. Some things cannot be accomplished without one person babysitting it 24/7 for years and years and years. Some of the things that need that kind of attention do make the world a better place.
zem 11y ago
from all accounts, it makes her life extremely enjoyable. there have definitely been lots of times i was eager to get home from work and spend the rest of the evening/night hacking on my open source projects; if i were a more driven person i could well imagine being happy spending my entire life that way.

DevX101 11y ago

What makes you think she doesn't enjoy her work?

onedev 11y ago
Exploring the world outside of your core work is what gives you perspective. And perspective is very very important in building a business. Perspective and empathy, both of which cannot be "hacked" and can only be attained by truly living life and exploring the world.
- CamperBob2 11y ago
  That sounds awfully prescriptive. You need to add "To me" to the beginning of that post.
- nilkn 11y ago
  I feel like you're suggesting two things in this post: 1. Holmes does not have perspective due to her focus on work. 2. Perspective is needed to build a successful business. I think these are revealed to be inconsistent when we add in the following: 3. Holmes has already built a successful business. Since (3) is known to be true, at least one of (1) or (2) has to be thrown out or weakened. That said, I think DevX101 was focusing on her happiness and you were focusing on her success. We have no evidence that Holmes is happy. We only have evidence that she's been successful.
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qq66 11y ago

Would you say that someone who runs onto a train track to save a child, and is killed in the process, has made a wrong decision? They've sacrificed not only their 20s, but their whole lives, for the sake of someone else. Someone choosing to forgo personal pleasures to achieve something shouldn't be criticized for it, and should be celebrated if that thing benefits lots of other people. I don't know a lot about Theranos, but it seems like the idea is reduce blood testing costs tremendously -- if the CEO is sacrificing her personal life and dating life to bring better and cheaper healthcare to millions of people, that is an admirable sacrifice.

wtvanhest 11y ago
You are making the assumption that her decision to not date, or interact with any friends is beneficial to her mission. I'm a believer that as a person sleeps less and interacts less with others at best they see diminishing returns and at worst their productivity overall declines.
- qq66 11y ago
  Not really, I'm assuming that if someone decides to not date, that it's a legitimate decision for them, and if they decide not to date because they want to achieve something big for themselves and for the world, well, all the better.

lpsz 11y ago

Surprised to see such a non-imaginative viewpoint on HN. Over what I feel like the last couple of decades, we've been taught that work == bad, life == good. You work because you have to, you trade time for money, you suffer from 9 to 5, you anxiously watch the clock, and then you go home and enjoy "life." I think this is sad. There's nothing wrong at all with productive work, and putting best years of your life into doing something creative like building your life's business.

raverbashing 11y ago
Work is good, sure, but there's more to life than it
- lpsz 11y ago
  The point is that we've grown to mentally associate the word "work" with "doing chores for my boss because I have to." It's a dirty word, the way we use it. What about redefining this word to mean, for some individuals at least, "I'm pursuing my dream"?
  - ryandrake 11y ago
    It's not just a mental association. It's reality for nearly everyone on the planet. For the vast majority, work is something you're paid for that you would otherwise not be doing. That's why they call what you get in return "compensation". It's to compensate you for the time you spend doing what you otherwise wouldn't. If you get up in the morning to "pursue your dream" you're among a lucky fraction of a percent of the population.
- pbreit 11y ago
  I coud see how her work is extremely satisfying and provides her with plenty of rich stimulation. It's not like she's a sole proprietor.
- baq 11y ago
  for some there is, for some there isn't. i agree but i can totally understand that there are poeple who live to work.

oldmanjay 11y ago

As amazing as you think your empathy is, I suspect your comment comes from a sense of feeling superior because you are applying your value system in a place where it has no use at all.

Frondo 11y ago
Yeah, you're probably right, but I'd go so far as to place all empathy as coming from a place of superiority. Some poor guy can feel sorry for a rich dude because the poor guy knows his friends really like him and aren't just out for his money. The childless couple can feel sorry for how the couple with children has no free time, and the couple with kids can feel sorry for how the childless couple doesn't experience the joy of having a family, and so on, and so on. That said, I sure feel sorry for someone with no friends, romantic partners, or human engagement on anything outside their work. It may be rewarding, but it doesn't sound very fun. AND, if it's fun for them, then great! Different strokes and all. I hope they're as satisfied at the end of their days as I suspect I will be, looking back on life.
- Retra 11y ago
  > I sure feel sorry for someone with no friends, romantic partners, or human engagement on anything outside their work. That would actually describe most of my life, including the parts where I wasn't being paid to work. However, the reason I didn't have those things is because, outside of work, all I think about is work. I don't want friends who don't want to talk about work, because it is the most important thing in my life. I don't want a romantic partner who doesn't want to work with me because my work is the top priority. I don't want human engagement outside of work because it is time I could put into my work. The bottom line is this: the best way for me to make the world a better, more enjoyable place for both myself and for others is for me to be successful at my work. Anything that detracts from that becomes stressful and frustrating to deal with, and ultimately feels pointless.
  - Frondo 11y ago
    That's great! How do you actually know you're making the world a better place for others, when all you talk about and think about is work? See, what gets me about that attitude is, that kind of closed-off attitude is what I took into my first few startups. It's a tunnel-vision kinda thing, where I was pushing my ideas out into the world, but not engaging as a person with people (who, I assure you, are not all so focused on work). It never worked well, because people all want a lot of different things, and rarely does that all just line up with what I want. But talking to people about their interests, listening and engaging with them on the human level? There's gold there, both in the friendships and the business that comes out of it.

breitling 11y ago

I imagine she is fully aware of this but chooses to work anyway. I don't understand that level of obsession, but good for her.

walshemj 11y ago

I take it she is taking the supplements to make up for a vegan diet?

CamperBob2 11y ago
It's hard to judge someone from a profile in a popular magazine. If you throw caution to the wind and attempt to judge her based on this particular article, you end up with an impression of someone who may not be, well, entirely stable and rational. Still, more power to her. For everything that seems a bit "off," such as the idea of being able to sleep less on a vegan diet, or the idea of crediting an unspecified god as a source of personal strength, there's also something about Holmes and her approach to her life and work that comes across as unadulterated awesomeness.

baq 11y ago

if i were younger, i'd agree... but now, i can only ask: why do you assume that you know better than her what life should be? why do you even care about life choices of someone you don't know? why does it matter so much that you had to comment about it? does it matter at all?

pervycreeper 11y ago

There are a lot of assumptions implicit in that post. Maybe (certainly.) she just has different values than you? Someone who reads Marcus Aurelius as a teenager probably won't be particularly attracted to hedonism or conformity as a lifestyle choice.

jazzyk 11y ago
Would it be hedonistic or would it make her less successful if she spent 1 hour/day hanging out with a significant other or her best friend? It would almost surely make her a better manager/leader, as leading involves other humans and gain a certain perspective on her business. Also, what happens if thing don't work out? Her company is not public, may not get the next round of funding and then what? Or there may be a hostile take-over and she will be left with a decent amount of money, but no business. And nobody to talk to.

msie 11y ago

I wish I had my 20s back. Spent too much time in startups.

Mz 11y ago

Some people enjoy working. Some people don't want romantic partners. Most so called friendships really aren't the deep, meaningful, supportive experience depicted in popular media. Most so called friends are really "fair weather friends" -- people to do something shallow and fun with, not someone who has your back when it counts. I thought her story was interesting because it does fit nicely with my understanding of why I did not have a successful career: Because I supported my husband's career and devotedly raised our two children. I don't regret that and I hope the world will eventually come up with answers better than "A woman can have a career OR a family." But given how many men have a career and not much of a relationship to their children, I don't feel like that is a thing society imposes on women only. I feel like that is rooted in the reality that there are only so many hours in the day and both parenting and a serious career are big time sinks. Serious careers tend to consume your life. Most good parents have intentionally made choices that put family first, at the expense of "getting ahead." Middle class families -- a shrinking minority at this point -- are the ones that tend to be best for kids. At least according to one study, you see as much neglect and drug abuse in wealthy neighborhoods as you do in the ghetto. Life is richer when we embrace diversity. Some people like putting all their time into their work. I hope her work winds up being a net benefit for the world, as she seems to envision. Some things cannot be accomplished without one person babysitting it 24/7 for years and years and years. Some of the things that need that kind of attention do make the world a better place.

zem 11y ago

from all accounts, it makes her life extremely enjoyable. there have definitely been lots of times i was eager to get home from work and spend the rest of the evening/night hacking on my open source projects; if i were a more driven person i could well imagine being happy spending my entire life that way.