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Except for a long time it was the movement as a whole. The is why people don't take it seriously, because last year the group stood for picking apart of game de

by comrh 11y ago

Except for a long time it was the movement as a whole. The is why people don't take it seriously, because last year the group stood for picking apart of game dev's sex life.

dvdcxn 11y ago
You missed the bit where her sex life revealed serious examples of cronyism.
- eropple 11y ago
  The "examples" that were wholly false from the jump, the ones that depend on things that can be empirically demonstrated to not exist? Those ones? I've met Quinn a few times and I don't personally care for her, but the monstrous behavior of the children afraid that the games that sell bonkers numbers of copies will go away forever because a few feminists criticize them is so incredibly evil (while also managing to be so, so stupid) that I can only laugh.
- TazeTSchnitzel 11y ago
  You missed the part where that was a complete fabrication. Zoe Quinn didn't sleep with game reviewers, and even if she did, those supposed articles never materialised.
  - exstudent2 11y ago
    Here's Kotaku EIC Stephen Totilo admitting to Kotaku's ethical failures re: GamerGate. https://archive.is/4Tp9N#selection-7679.0-7679.603 https://archive.is/4Tp9N#selection-7679.0-7679.603 He's downplaying it but the failures to disclose personal ties DID exist in many cases. He also references other ethical failings from Kotaku. None of this would have come to light without GamerGate. They regularly make references to pre-existing relationships now. Note that this is a pretty important statement from Totilo but he makes it in the form of a comment. Many in GamerGate did appreciate him taking some form of responsibility though.
    - eropple 11y ago
      Those goalposts are heavy, aren't they? I mean, that's interesting, but it's completely unrelated to anything related to the coordinated harassment campaign aimed at Zoe Quinn. So what's your point, exactly? Don't get me wrong: I love you guys. You have made "SJW" a desirable thing to be. I'm just not big on this whole dishonesty kick.
      - exstudent2 11y ago
        > it's completely unrelated to anything related to the coordinated harassment campaign aimed at Zoe Quinn. That is my point. GamerGate isn't about harassment, it's about media, censorship, journalism, centralized vs. decentralized control and a bunch of other stuff.
        eropple 11y ago
        No, it's not. Don't get me wrong: I am certain that you believe that. I am not calling you a liar. But you're wrong. The core of GamerGate is the same bunch of misogynistic tools who have been around for years, occasionally manifesting into a herpetic flare-up somewhere or other before going away again for a while. (They didn't come from 4chan, but they incubated there.) Guys like Milo Yiannopolous don't give a shit about video games, they give a shit about hurting women, and you are useful by proxy. The rhetoric about ethics-in-journalism-etcetera-etcetera sounds nice, and in it you and I can find a bunch to agree with. But it doesn't matter. Because the actions are what matter, and the actions are fucking reprehensible. Please don't insult my intelligence with false equivalencies and but-but-but-both-sides because but-but-but-both-sides is not true. None of the misogynistic toolbags have been chased from their homes, none of them have been confronted with credible threats to their lives and their families. It has not happened. The notion that it has is fictional at its core. The reason GamerGate functionally evaporated as quickly as it showed up, aside from particularly die-hard members of the useful-idiot troupe, is because most of your fellows went away once Stephen Colbert made fun of you. There's a reason why the influential string-pullers have been saying things like "give up and try again next year". Because they don't care about what you care about. The social credibility went away, and as soon as the social credibility went away that hard core couldn't do what they wanted to do with your help. In the process of supporting their movement in the hopes that you get something out of it, you are hurting the defenseless. I hope you stop.

by comrh 11y ago

Except for a long time it was the movement as a whole. The is why people don't take it seriously, because last year the group stood for picking apart of game dev's sex life.

dvdcxn 11y ago

You missed the bit where her sex life revealed serious examples of cronyism.

eropple 11y ago
The "examples" that were wholly false from the jump, the ones that depend on things that can be empirically demonstrated to not exist? Those ones? I've met Quinn a few times and I don't personally care for her, but the monstrous behavior of the children afraid that the games that sell bonkers numbers of copies will go away forever because a few feminists criticize them is so incredibly evil (while also managing to be so, so stupid) that I can only laugh.
TazeTSchnitzel 11y ago
You missed the part where that was a complete fabrication. Zoe Quinn didn't sleep with game reviewers, and even if she did, those supposed articles never materialised.
- exstudent2 11y ago
  Here's Kotaku EIC Stephen Totilo admitting to Kotaku's ethical failures re: GamerGate. https://archive.is/4Tp9N#selection-7679.0-7679.603 https://archive.is/4Tp9N#selection-7679.0-7679.603 He's downplaying it but the failures to disclose personal ties DID exist in many cases. He also references other ethical failings from Kotaku. None of this would have come to light without GamerGate. They regularly make references to pre-existing relationships now. Note that this is a pretty important statement from Totilo but he makes it in the form of a comment. Many in GamerGate did appreciate him taking some form of responsibility though.
  - eropple 11y ago
    Those goalposts are heavy, aren't they? I mean, that's interesting, but it's completely unrelated to anything related to the coordinated harassment campaign aimed at Zoe Quinn. So what's your point, exactly? Don't get me wrong: I love you guys. You have made "SJW" a desirable thing to be. I'm just not big on this whole dishonesty kick.
    - exstudent2 11y ago
      > it's completely unrelated to anything related to the coordinated harassment campaign aimed at Zoe Quinn. That is my point. GamerGate isn't about harassment, it's about media, censorship, journalism, centralized vs. decentralized control and a bunch of other stuff.
      - eropple 11y ago
        No, it's not. Don't get me wrong: I am certain that you believe that. I am not calling you a liar. But you're wrong. The core of GamerGate is the same bunch of misogynistic tools who have been around for years, occasionally manifesting into a herpetic flare-up somewhere or other before going away again for a while. (They didn't come from 4chan, but they incubated there.) Guys like Milo Yiannopolous don't give a shit about video games, they give a shit about hurting women, and you are useful by proxy. The rhetoric about ethics-in-journalism-etcetera-etcetera sounds nice, and in it you and I can find a bunch to agree with. But it doesn't matter. Because the actions are what matter, and the actions are fucking reprehensible. Please don't insult my intelligence with false equivalencies and but-but-but-both-sides because but-but-but-both-sides is not true. None of the misogynistic toolbags have been chased from their homes, none of them have been confronted with credible threats to their lives and their families. It has not happened. The notion that it has is fictional at its core. The reason GamerGate functionally evaporated as quickly as it showed up, aside from particularly die-hard members of the useful-idiot troupe, is because most of your fellows went away once Stephen Colbert made fun of you. There's a reason why the influential string-pullers have been saying things like "give up and try again next year". Because they don't care about what you care about. The social credibility went away, and as soon as the social credibility went away that hard core couldn't do what they wanted to do with your help. In the process of supporting their movement in the hopes that you get something out of it, you are hurting the defenseless. I hope you stop.