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How usable is Servo currently? Is the web security model fully implemented? Has anyone in the team switched to using it for all their browsing? If not, when do

by devit 11y ago

How usable is Servo currently? Is the web security model fully implemented? Has anyone in the team switched to using it for all their browsing? If not, when do you plan to start? Anyway, thanks for working on this! Servo is one of the most important software projects, since it will hopefully give us a secure or at least securable browser, and maybe give a chance for Mozilla, the most trustable browser maker, to get the #1 market share spot.

pcwalton 11y ago
We're not, but we hope to be dogfooding by the end of the year. Lots of Web features are implemented, but most of them have various minor and not-so-minor bugs. It's very easy to get involved in as far as Web engines go, thanks to Cargo, so feel free to build it and file bugs (or even help fix!) issues you see on your favorite sites!
- jerven 11y ago
  Tasting the chefs cooking it much better than dogfood
Manishearth 11y ago
> How usable is Servo currently? ... Ish. Works good enough for browsing (i.e. googling stuff and reading), but sites with complex interaction (eg Gmail) don't work too well. No, security is not fully implemented. > Has anyone in the team switched to using it for all their browsing? Last semester I used it for all my web-based studying. I'm also getting us close to be able to use it for Github things. Reddit shouldn't be hard either.
SloopJon 11y ago
> Servo is one of the most important software projects, since it will hopefully give us a secure or at least securable browser I'm very interested in Rust, and in Servo as a "killer app" that demonstrates its promise. But what if they go to all this trouble, and it's significantly slower than C++-based browsers? (Yes, Rust can be as fast or faster in theory, but C and C++ have so much more resources behind them.) How much is stability and security worth to you? I see (admittedly abstract) tradeoffs made in favor of performance all the time in software where data integrity is supposedly paramount. Will we really make different choices in consumer software?
- jitl 11y ago
  In their benchmarks it performs favorably when compared to Firefox's gecko engine: http://take.ms/LeUjm http://take.ms/LeUjm
- steveklabnik 11y ago
  > C and C++ have so much more resources behind them Since we use LLVM, we get all of the gains involved when Apple and other companies make it better. So that helps.
- pcwalton 11y ago
  > But what if they go to all this trouble, and it's significantly slower than C++-based browsers? Do you have any specific reasons why this would be the case?

by devit 11y ago

pcwalton 11y ago

We're not, but we hope to be dogfooding by the end of the year. Lots of Web features are implemented, but most of them have various minor and not-so-minor bugs. It's very easy to get involved in as far as Web engines go, thanks to Cargo, so feel free to build it and file bugs (or even help fix!) issues you see on your favorite sites!

jerven 11y ago
Tasting the chefs cooking it much better than dogfood

Manishearth 11y ago

> How usable is Servo currently? ... Ish. Works good enough for browsing (i.e. googling stuff and reading), but sites with complex interaction (eg Gmail) don't work too well. No, security is not fully implemented. > Has anyone in the team switched to using it for all their browsing? Last semester I used it for all my web-based studying. I'm also getting us close to be able to use it for Github things. Reddit shouldn't be hard either.

SloopJon 11y ago

> Servo is one of the most important software projects, since it will hopefully give us a secure or at least securable browser I'm very interested in Rust, and in Servo as a "killer app" that demonstrates its promise. But what if they go to all this trouble, and it's significantly slower than C++-based browsers? (Yes, Rust can be as fast or faster in theory, but C and C++ have so much more resources behind them.) How much is stability and security worth to you? I see (admittedly abstract) tradeoffs made in favor of performance all the time in software where data integrity is supposedly paramount. Will we really make different choices in consumer software?

jitl 11y ago
In their benchmarks it performs favorably when compared to Firefox's gecko engine: http://take.ms/LeUjm http://take.ms/LeUjm
steveklabnik 11y ago
> C and C++ have so much more resources behind them Since we use LLVM, we get all of the gains involved when Apple and other companies make it better. So that helps.
pcwalton 11y ago
> But what if they go to all this trouble, and it's significantly slower than C++-based browsers? Do you have any specific reasons why this would be the case?