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Calling it harassment is a huge discredit to a movement that holds very valid criticisms of both these people. Edit: I should qualify this. Both sides of the i
by dvdcxn 11y ago
Calling it harassment is a huge discredit to a movement that holds very valid criticisms of both these people.
Edit: I should qualify this. Both sides of the issue have their shitshows distorting the debate with harassment and dirty tactics. At its core gamergate is a conflict between cultural authoritarians and libertarians. It is just the beginning of a wider issue, the old guard of the internet, those that believe in freedom of expression without repurcussion vs those who believe that speech on the internet should involve more social responsibility.
There is really no reason why they should not co exist. Gamergate is one of the examples however of what happens when both occupy the same space. Those who are afraid of their space changing vs those who refuse to occupy such spaces.
There's nothing stopping either ideals staying within their own space or creating their own, however the internet is a pressure cooker that inevitavly leads to a game of escalation and one up mansship where no compromise is accepted.
- TazeTSchnitzel 11y agoDeath and rape threats are not 'valid criticism'.
- dvdcxn 11y agoYou have fallen into the same trap as both sides in taking the radicals behaviour as typical of the movement as a whole. Well done, you are why we cant have nice things.
- TazeTSchnitzel 11y ago> You have fallen into the same trap as both sides in taking the radicals behaviour as typical of the movement as a whole. That would require the radicals to not be the entire movement.
- comrh 11y agoExcept for a long time it was the movement as a whole. The is why people don't take it seriously, because last year the group stood for picking apart of game dev's sex life.
- dvdcxn 11y agoYou missed the bit where her sex life revealed serious examples of cronyism.
- eropple 11y agoThe "examples" that were wholly false from the jump, the ones that depend on things that can be empirically demonstrated to not exist? Those ones? I've met Quinn a few times and I don't personally care for her, but the monstrous behavior of the children afraid that the games that sell bonkers numbers of copies will go away forever because a few feminists criticize them is so incredibly evil (while also managing to be so, so stupid) that I can only laugh.
- TazeTSchnitzel 11y agoYou missed the part where that was a complete fabrication. Zoe Quinn didn't sleep with game reviewers, and even if she did, those supposed articles never materialised.
- exstudent2 11y agoHere's Kotaku EIC Stephen Totilo admitting to Kotaku's ethical failures re: GamerGate. https://archive.is/4Tp9N#selection-7679.0-7679.603 https://archive.is/4Tp9N#selection-7679.0-7679.603 He's downplaying it but the failures to disclose personal ties DID exist in many cases. He also references other ethical failings from Kotaku. None of this would have come to light without GamerGate. They regularly make references to pre-existing relationships now. Note that this is a pretty important statement from Totilo but he makes it in the form of a comment. Many in GamerGate did appreciate him taking some form of responsibility though.
- eropple 11y agoThose goalposts are heavy, aren't they? I mean, that's interesting, but it's completely unrelated to anything related to the coordinated harassment campaign aimed at Zoe Quinn. So what's your point, exactly? Don't get me wrong: I love you guys. You have made "SJW" a desirable thing to be. I'm just not big on this whole dishonesty kick.
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