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Haha what? I.G. Farben, Chemie Grünenthal, these are not German companies? Siemens, Ferrostaal bribing Greek politicians. H&K arming Mexican drug cartels. T

Haha what? I.G. Farben, Chemie Grünenthal, these are not German companies? Siemens, Ferrostaal bribing Greek politicians. H&K arming Mexican drug cartels. The modern German self-image is a lie.

vonmoltke 11y ago
> H&K arming Mexican drug cartels. Huh? The cartels are using primarily AR and AK pattern rifles smuggled through the US or stolen from the Mexican government.
- thrownaway2424 11y ago
  Now they are using H&K weapons. http://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/unternehmen/waffenexport-ermittler-durchsuchen-bueros-von-heckler-koch-a-736036.html http://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/unternehmen/waffenexport-er...
  - vonmoltke 11y ago
    First off, the sales happened between 2003 and 2011, so nothing has happened in at least 4 years. Plus, the 9500 rifles sold are a drop in the bucket compared to the Colt and Century Arms weapons in common use.[1] Second, the weapons in question were sold to local Mexican governments.[2] The investigation appears to stem from the German government not trusting all elements of the Mexican government to use the weapons responsibly. It was an attempt to dump thousands of rifles the German Army didn't want any more. Some subset of the rifles got in the hands of dirty Mexican cops and were either used by said cops in support of the cartels or stolen on behalf of them. The impact is minimal and HK is not supplying the drug cartels. [1] http://www.dw.com/en/german-arms-maker-heckler-koch-illegally-exported-rifles-to-mexico/a-18437977 http://www.dw.com/en/german-arms-maker-heckler-koch-illegall... [2] http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/08/03/us-mexico-germany-guns-idUSKCN0Q823V20150803 http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/08/03/us-mexico-germany-...
jazzyk 11y ago
Why the downvotes? There is some truth to the above. Germany is NOT int the top 10 when it comes to business transparency. While certainly not bad (the US is even lower), its relatively low position (12th in 2014) on the list is surprising and does not quite fit the "impeccably honest" image of Germany some people have. https://www.transparency.org/country/#DEU https://www.transparency.org/country/#DEU

Haha what? I.G. Farben, Chemie Grünenthal, these are not German companies? Siemens, Ferrostaal bribing Greek politicians. H&K arming Mexican drug cartels. The modern German self-image is a lie.

vonmoltke 11y ago

> H&K arming Mexican drug cartels. Huh? The cartels are using primarily AR and AK pattern rifles smuggled through the US or stolen from the Mexican government.

thrownaway2424 11y ago
Now they are using H&K weapons. http://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/unternehmen/waffenexport-ermittler-durchsuchen-bueros-von-heckler-koch-a-736036.html http://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/unternehmen/waffenexport-er...
- vonmoltke 11y ago
  First off, the sales happened between 2003 and 2011, so nothing has happened in at least 4 years. Plus, the 9500 rifles sold are a drop in the bucket compared to the Colt and Century Arms weapons in common use.[1] Second, the weapons in question were sold to local Mexican governments.[2] The investigation appears to stem from the German government not trusting all elements of the Mexican government to use the weapons responsibly. It was an attempt to dump thousands of rifles the German Army didn't want any more. Some subset of the rifles got in the hands of dirty Mexican cops and were either used by said cops in support of the cartels or stolen on behalf of them. The impact is minimal and HK is not supplying the drug cartels. [1] http://www.dw.com/en/german-arms-maker-heckler-koch-illegally-exported-rifles-to-mexico/a-18437977 http://www.dw.com/en/german-arms-maker-heckler-koch-illegall... [2] http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/08/03/us-mexico-germany-guns-idUSKCN0Q823V20150803 http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/08/03/us-mexico-germany-...

jazzyk 11y ago

Why the downvotes? There is some truth to the above. Germany is NOT int the top 10 when it comes to business transparency. While certainly not bad (the US is even lower), its relatively low position (12th in 2014) on the list is surprising and does not quite fit the "impeccably honest" image of Germany some people have. https://www.transparency.org/country/#DEU https://www.transparency.org/country/#DEU