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I feel bad for moot. He'll probably be known for the rest of his life for creating a cesspool he never made much money from.
by austenallred 11y ago
I feel bad for moot. He'll probably be known for the rest of his life for creating a cesspool he never made much money from.
- Cakez0r 11y ago4chan has shaped internet culture for better and for worse. I think that to have created something so influential is an achievement to be proud of.
- ceedan 11y agoPride doesn't pay bills
- halviti 11y agoYour statement makes the assumption that paying bills is the goal.
- astrodust 11y agoNot dying from starvation is the goal.
- krapp 11y agoTo be fair, I doubt moot would have trouble finding money if he looked for it.
- austenallred 11y agoHe raised money in the past. The company failed. He was living with his parents for a while, trying to figure out what to do. http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/4chans-overlord-christopher-poole-reveals-why-he-walked-away-20150313 http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/4chans-overlord...
- krapp 11y agoStill, there has to be some some value in having "Creator and administrator of 4Chan" on one's resume.
- ceedan 11y agoMost HR people would see that, be disgusted and throw the resume in the trash. 4chan does not have a good reputation amongst internet laymen. Maybe some of the more savvy HR people would be more impressed by the implied technical aspects of accomplishing such a thing, though.
- krapp 11y agoThat's probably true. But chances are, the better jobs with those savvy HR people might not even have noticed his resume otherwise.
- danielweber 11y agoHe only needs one. As someone who says the hell away from 4chan, I still say he did impressive work. Probably not going to be hired by Walt Disney, but there's a lot of other places out there.
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- ceedan 11y ago"Your statement makes the assumption that paying bills is the goal." Sure seems like it is, since -- you know -- he just sold 4chan. Thanks for your cute little contrarian comment, though. It was very stimulating.
- Kapura 11y agomoot stated that his reasons for leaving 4chan this year have to do with the personal stress of managing such a volatile community, especially with the vitriol of the gamergaters holing up on the boards. For the previous 12 years he wasn't making very much money and at one point he took on tens of thousands of dollars of debt to keep the site operational. Whether or not he's making money with the sale now is beyond the point; he clearly wasn't running 4chan as a monetary venture.
- dang 11y ago> Thanks for your cute little Please don't do this here.
- moomin 11y agoI invoke Godwin to refute this assertion.
- DonHopkins 11y agoBy directly invoking Godwin himself, are you saying that Godwin created something so influential, that shaped internet culture for better and for worse, that Godwin's Law itself is an achievement to be proud of, even if he never made much money from it?
- BookmarkSaver 11y agoHe's comparing him to Hitler. Hitler had a huge influence on the world, for better and for worse, but that doesn't mean it is something he should necessarily be proud of.
- ainsej 11y agowoosh
- DonHopkins 11y agoNever heard of him. I thought we were comparing moot with Michael Godwin, not whoever this "Hitler" character you're bringing up is.
- tomasien 11y agoDisagree. 4chan is great and important. It shaped the Internet we know today in so many great ways, and in a few cautionary ways as well. Moot should be proud.
- mda 11y agoI am curious, could you think of some examples of the great ways it influenced the internet?
- vezzy-fnord 11y agoMuch of the dank memes that have become completely mainstream in social media can be traced to 4chan in one way or another. Something Awful also used to be responsible for a lot, but lost relevance a long time ago. I don't know if this is "great" as in implying a positive value judgment, but it is great in magnitude.
- xeni 11y agoSomething Awful is also the only reason that 4chan exists in the first place. It was created as a refuge for the SA anime forum (ADTRW) after Lowtax purged the users from Raspberry Heaven (the SA DC++ hub for anime). Nearly every founding admin/mod was a permabanned SA user.
- bydo 11y agoNot really. A lot of the mods were current or former FYAG/FYAD posters. Only a few were banned, and the big anime witch hunts came much later. Raspberry Heaven was kind of a splinter from the semi-official SADCHUB. Lowtax never had any influence on either. RH and ADTRW actually both had their own off-SA fora created to avoid the overall SA attitude, though neither was used much. When moot created 4chan it was more out of the general fascination with 2chan's image boards, particularly /a and /b, which were mostly random (but not 4chan /b random) artwork, without much commentary.
- mih 11y ago
- wingerlang 11y agoHis resume should be pretty damn impressive though. Those numbers are huge.
- JohnBooty 11y agoIncredible resume, but it doesn't necessarily mean companies will be lining up to hire moot. What I mean is: 4chan was a singular achievement. You couldn't exactly just slot moot in at Imgur or Reddit or Hacker News or some other community; his talents wouldn't necessarily be transferable/applicable. I say that with a great deal of respect for moot and what he built, even if some really horrible stuff came out of that place.
- wingerlang 11y agoHe also had another webpage, the name escapes me, that ran for quite a while. And if I am not super-mistaken, a similar app. While it/they failed in the end, it definitely shows additional drive coming from him. Does the "horrible" stuff _really_ matter though? Do you think the admins/creators of reddit should deserve less credit/respect because of the many horrible subreddits? I really don't see why the bad stuff would lower the achievement/respect towards moot, he has always been against it, cooperated with law and police and he has 'staff' that are dedicated to remove the bad stuff. Why aren't those things considered?
- JohnBooty 11y agoI definitely don't think moot has a lack of drive or talent! Does the "horrible" stuff _really_ matter though? I should have phrased that better. No, I don't blame moot for that stuff. If we are going to have open and/or anonymous communities, some regrettable user-generated stuff is inevitable. Moot fought the good fight as far as I could tell.
- brador 11y ago> he never made much money from You believe that? Dude banked on both the sale and takeover, plus the ad revenue when he was running the site. He had no alternative but to push the poverty myth (Kevin Rose@Digg also did this). Can you imagine what the users would do if he disclosed how much he was raking in? My guess? $10 million n/w post sale, most likely much more.
- Karunamon 11y agoWhat ad revenue? 4chan has always had a huge problem attracting advertisers due to the ahem nature of its content. I could imagine that he made some serious bank on the sale, but the site has always has run at a net loss.
- brador 11y ago> 4chan has always had a huge problem attracting advertisers due to the ahem nature of its content According to who? Remember how cheap the site is to run. It's like the Pirate Bay guys saying they made no money. Those ads paid big and they raked.
- Karunamon 11y agoAccording to the guy who ran the site. If you think he's lying about that, please put forth some evidence.
- brador 11y ago> According to the guy who ran the site. Do you see the problem?
- Karunamon 11y agoOkay, so considering that 4chan didn't accept donations, didn't have any form of user-generated revenue until the (very recent) 4chan pass thing, Poole has always maintained that the site was a money loser. Also, cheap to run? The bandwidth costs alone would be HUGE. Not sure why you think he has a motive to lie about this - and if he does, again, put forth some evidence rather than spurious accusations. Calling the guy a liar with no proof to the contrary is just so much cheap sniping.
- savanaly 11y agoDon't confuse "4chan" with /b/ or /pol/. There is a lot to be proud of in 4chan.
- rdl 11y agoI'm willing to bet he'll do a lot more great things in the future, and "created 4chan", even if you didn't capture much value from it, is more than 99.999% of people have accomplished.