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Hiroyuki Nishimura, founder of 2channel, has taken ownership of 4chan
- chisleu 11y agoI wonder what how long the SJW mods are going to be running the ship?
- 4ad 11y agoCan you be more specific? What are you talking about?
- TazeTSchnitzel 11y agoA lot of 4chan users got upset when moot banned gamergate, the thinly-disguised harassment campaign. Since gamergate characterises any opposition to it whatsoever as being from 'SJWs', 4chan mods are thus 'SJWs'.
- izzydata 11y agoA lot of 4chan users will be upset if you do anything. That is too much of a generalization and isn't possible to determine for the community as a whole. Keep in mind the vast majority of 4chan users don't even post.
- TazeTSchnitzel 11y agoI'm not saying all of 4chan was upset (I'd imagine many might be quite happy, but kept quiet). Perhaps not even most of 4chan. I just think that's probably the main reason why anyone would call the mods 'SJWs'. (Though maybe 'SJW mods' is just the new 'fascist mods')
- chisleu 11y agoI don't think this is the case at all. Gamergate was noisy and annoying at it's best on 4chan. However, there have been many bans for posts wildly outside of gamergate, that were on SJW talking points. The reason gamergate was banned from 4chan is they kept posting pics of zoe and moot hanging out at conferences and bars and such.
- Lawtonfogle 11y agoI'm not sure about the larger picture of the whole internet, but after seeing the fempire spread on reddit and reading some of the ways they did so, I can see why some people jump to it as the default argument.
- mushtifaha 11y ago> the thinly-disguised harassment campaign I am not convinced that repeating a lie a thousand times will make this claim the truth. The propaganda may have worked well back when gamergate was completely unknown to the general public, but we are past that, I think.
- robin_reala 11y agoYou’re partially right at least. It’s now a completely undisguised harassment campaign.
- Karunamon 11y agoYeah, no. People claiming "harassment!" absent evidence is not proof of said harassment existing, doubly so when the people shouting the loudest have a profit motive for its supposed existence. Also: It would be rather disingenuous to claim that gamergate are a bunch of harassers without acknowledging that prominent people within the movement have received things like syringes and knives in the mail... and been blackballed from the industry.. Kind of puts in perspective this "harassment", which at its worst, can be described as "people saying mean things on the internet". http://deepfreeze.it http://deepfreeze.it - also all public record.
- igreulich 11y agoPerception is reality. And it seems the perception is that Gahergate is a group of harrasors. You (not you personally) saying it is not will not change that perception. It seems to me that if you want Gamegate to be taken seriously (though I think it is way to late for that) Gamergate needs to start cleaning out it ranks. Which highlights the real issue. Gamergate has no central entity. So there are going to be people harrassing under the banner of Gamergate, and you can’t do anything about it. The name is tarnished, full stop. It will be almost impossible for Gamergate to do any good now, assuming it ever wanted to good!
- Karunamon 11y ago
- benihana 11y agoI think what people tend to get upset about is having their opinions dismissed and smugly described as a harassment campaign. Both sides of that stupid gamergate fiasco had legitimate complaints and both sides had assholes who harassed the other side. I mean it's pretty easy to see what camp you fall into, and you're basically ascribing a very shallow set of beliefs to an entire group of people - the exact same thing you're accusing that group of doing. Without knowing anything going on with the other side, I could see why people would get upset with that.
- comrh 11y agoSo some research and it is easy to see the beginning of the GG movement was mainly a force to harass people like Zoe Quinn and Anita Sarkeesian.
- Karunamon 11y agoThe start of it, sure. This is all public record at this point. Judging what exists now by what existed over a year ago is hardly fair. People who actually harass people are now loudly shouted down wherever they're seen doing it.
- mintplant 11y agoGamerGate was sharing photos of Zoe Quinn from her old modeling profile as recently as a month ago. This is a continuous problem.
- Karunamon 11y agoCitation needed, and even if true, posting pictures of someone that they made public years ago is not "harassment".
- icebraining 11y agoFrankly, and this is not specific to GG, but I don't get why would one join a movement if one disapproves of how it got started. If one doesn’t want to be associated with assholes, maybe one shouldn't associate themselves with asshole-created groups.
- Uhhrrr 11y agoThey got upset because moot banned any discussion of GamerGate, including journalist conflicts of interest and censorship on other forums around the web. 4chan until then had had very few restrictions on speech. It was very unusual for posts to be removed for mentioning, say, that Kotaku's Nathan Grayson had given favorable coverage to close friends.
- eloisant 11y agoI don't think there is any SJW on 2chan. It's pretty much as trash as 4chan.
- emodendroket 11y agoIt's totally different -- the racist tirades are against Koreans and Chinese people instead.
- chisleu 11y agoThat was my point. 4Chan has pretty heavy SJW influence right now.
- mintplant 11y agoEvery time someone uses "SJW" seriously on HN, a puppy dies.
- amyjess 11y agoHey, at least people haven't started saying "cuck" here yet. I hate that word so much...
- chisleu 11y agoI don't see an alternative term available that expresses the same meaning. I don't use it as a pejorative intentionally, just as a term for people who believe things like minorities can't be racist.
- astrodust 11y agoIf you think that's social justice, then the KKK aren't even racist. Are you sure about that statement?
- chisleu 11y agoI don't think you have any idea what you are talking about.
- r721 11y agoThe New York Times story: http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/09/21/4chan-sells-to-japanese-web-culture-pioneer-2channel/ http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/09/21/4chan-sells-to-japa...
- amyjess 11y agoWell, that's an interesting development. I didn't see it coming, but in hindsight, Nishimura is perfect. I thought moot already signed over ownership to a board of people though... I guess it was just the management he handed over.
- arpstick 11y agoHiroyuki Nishimura the previous administrator of 2ch.net sold the user data of 2channel users and he was fired by Jim, who happens to be the host of 8ch.net. Sweet sweet irony.
- ijktdot 11y ago2ch also offered a paid post deletion service used by political parties when Nishimura was running it, after the 2ch coup he scraped the site and started 2ch.sc This is the guy who runs 2ch/8ch https://twitter.com/xerxeswatkins https://twitter.com/xerxeswatkins
- pervycreeper 11y agoPuts this quote in a new light: >He is one of few individuals with a deep understanding of what it means to provide a digital home for tens of millions of people for more than a decade. There is nobody more qualified than Hiroyuki to lead 4chan, and I can't think of a person better suited for the task.
- arpstick 11y agoThe Japanese government payed him to take down politically sensitive posts on 2channel[1]. He's probably the worst person to put in charge of a community according those who were subjected to him in the past. [1] http://www.anonymous-japan.org/fake2ch/ http://www.anonymous-japan.org/fake2ch/
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- userbinator 11y agoNote that 2channel's URL is not 2chan.net, but 2ch.net, and it's a text-only site. It is more commonly known as "2ch". It's interesting to see that both 2ch/2chan have not really changed since they were created, whereas 4chan went through quite a bit of "modernising". I wonder if 4chan might start turning back to a 2ch/2chan-ish style with this.
- rogeryu 11y ago> I wonder if 4chan might start turning back to a 2ch/2chan-ish style with this. Do you think they will change all images to ASCII art as well?
- fluxquanta 11y agoｷﾀ━━━━━━(ﾟ∀ﾟ)━━━━━━ !!!!!
- ue_ 11y agoI really like the 2chan style, it's simple and nostalgia-inducing. The 4chan modernisations such as the thread title in the URL, the removal of the e-mail field, the re-numbering of pages starting from 0 to 1. It would be much nicer if they could put on a version of Futallaby with a modification for image replies (I believe Saguaro does this) or use Wakaba (much more featured, but using Perl).
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- Joona 11y agoPermanent (?) link: https://www.4chan.org/news?all#120 https://www.4chan.org/news?all#120
- austenallred 11y agoI feel bad for moot. He'll probably be known for the rest of his life for creating a cesspool he never made much money from.
- Cakez0r 11y ago4chan has shaped internet culture for better and for worse. I think that to have created something so influential is an achievement to be proud of.
- ceedan 11y agoPride doesn't pay bills
- halviti 11y agoYour statement makes the assumption that paying bills is the goal.
- astrodust 11y agoNot dying from starvation is the goal.
- krapp 11y agoTo be fair, I doubt moot would have trouble finding money if he looked for it.
- austenallred 11y agoHe raised money in the past. The company failed. He was living with his parents for a while, trying to figure out what to do. http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/4chans-overlord-christopher-poole-reveals-why-he-walked-away-20150313 http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/4chans-overlord...
- shubhamjain 11y agoA few days ago, an article was posted how WhatsApp has scaled to nearly a billion users and is still running with only 50 engineers. Isn't running 4chan more impressive feat being run, if I am not wrong, by just one engineer, and that too from a time when web development tools weren't anywhere close to what we have today.
- fjxjduxich 11y agoI wasn't aware that they made a Fundamentals of Engineering certification exam for web developers.
- jnbiche 11y agoFirst, just as a point of fact, WhatsApp is mostly mobile development and network engineering messaging systems, not web development. Disciplines that one would normally classify under "software engineering". Second, you appear to be confusing Fundamentals of Engineering exams and Principles of Engineering exams. There is no Fundamentals of Engineering exam for any engineering discipline, including structural, electrical, etc. Only the PE exam focuses on individual disciplines. FE is for...fundamentals. Finally, and ironically, they do in fact make a Principles of Engineering certification exam for software engineers[1]. It's been offered for almost 5 years now. As of last year, the majority of states offered the exam and license software engineers just as they do other engineering candidates. 1. http://ncees.org/about-ncees/news/ncees-introduces-pe-exam-for-software-engineering/ http://ncees.org/about-ncees/news/ncees-introduces-pe-exam-f...
- shubhamjain 11y agoI am sorry but I still don't get what OP was referring to?
- epmatsw 11y agoI think that he was trying to be pedantic about the use of the word "engineer" in the context of software development.
- Syrup-tan 11y agoCan we get /prog/ back? <3
- merlincorey 11y agoIf only The Sussman were still alive, we might have a chance to reach satori.
- carlosrg 11y agoI miss the ENTERPRISE QUALITY CODE.
- mhurron 11y ago/g/ not good enough for you (•_•) / ( •_•)>⌐■-■ / (⌐■_■)
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- snakeanus 11y agohttp://bbs.progrider.org/prog/ http://bbs.progrider.org/prog/ http://bbs.progrider.org/prog/read/1442852889 http://bbs.progrider.org/prog/read/1442852889
- Jasper_ 11y agoIt's weird, because 2channel recently had a big user exodus. A lot of users used desktop clients. Those were banned in a push to monetize. As a result, a lot of 2ch users started lots of 2ch replacement subreddits, the largest being newsokur: https://www.reddit.com/r/newsokur https://www.reddit.com/r/newsokur
- ijktdot 11y agoThe exodus was from the Kenmou board who refused affiliate marketing on their board they claimed was data mining their IPs. The desktop clients weren't banned, just really old browsers they were using were no longer supported due to new methods of embedding ads. A lot of them used legacy browsers like this one which is no longer in development https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kazehakase https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kazehakase
- chubalub 11y agoAll hail chinese moot!
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