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Sure there is. "We consider this law illegitimate and do not consent to be bound by it." You may not LIKE that defense, but it's a defense - pretty much the c

by tjic 11y ago

Sure there is. "We consider this law illegitimate and do not consent to be bound by it." You may not LIKE that defense, but it's a defense - pretty much the canonical anarchocapitalist one.

SideburnsOfDoom 11y ago
> "We consider this law illegitimate and do not consent to be bound by it." Which would be an astonishing statement to actually make, considering that air pollution kills people. It's basically singing the praises of corporate manslaughter. Even more so, given that anarchocapitalism isn't really popular in Germany any more.
rdsnsca 11y ago
To which the EPA will answer: "Your vehicles are no longer allowed to be sold in the US"
6stringmerc 11y ago
Very well stated, and I agree a defense exists for the accused. Gaming tests and parameters doesn't seem too far fetched to me. In high school one class allowed for one 3x5" notecard to be brought to the final exam, and it could have notes written on it. Following the letter but not the spirit of the rule, I used a razor blade to gently split the notecard and was able to peel it open for about 70% more writing space. Though a technicality, I did manage to use my device with approval in that case.
- SideburnsOfDoom 11y ago
  I don't really agree. Air pollution isn't like test notes at all, it kills people. If you had "Followed the letter but not the spirit of a rule" and wound up endangering people's health, do you honestly think there would be no repercussions other than a "haha, clever you! You can get away with it on a technicality this once" ?
  - 6stringmerc 11y ago
    Can you empirically show that Air Pollution in the US killed more people in 2015 than listeria in Blue Bell ice cream? Being good stewards of the Eart is important, and as long as there are regulations and rules, there will be different attitudes to contend with. I consider air quality to be valuable, I genuinely do. I also think the entire annual production of all VW automobiles globally does less air quality "damage" than one season of wildfires in the western United States. Or a vocanic eruption.
    - SideburnsOfDoom 11y ago
      > Can you empirically show that Air Pollution in the US killed more people in 2015 than listeria in Blue Bell ice cream? "empirically show" is a stupefyingly high standard for a comments thread. I assume that you are familiar with the scale of the problem for starter? e.g. http://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/releases/2014/air-pollution/en/ http://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/releases/2014/air-pollut... http://www.theweathernetwork.com/news/articles/study-air-pollution-deaths-to-double-by-2050/57507/ http://www.theweathernetwork.com/news/articles/study-air-pol... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-26973783 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-26973783 It's a misdirection on your part anyway, comparing a knowingly harmful and deceptive like this to Some industrial accident is not valid: People die in accidents; this does stop murder being a thing.
      - kamjam 11y ago
        If something really wants to be done about pollution from burning fossil fuels then bunker fuel may be a good place to start, that low grade crud burnt by shipping our wonderfully cheap crap from around the world... http://www.gizmag.com/shipping-pollution/11526/ http://www.gizmag.com/shipping-pollution/11526/

by tjic 11y ago

Sure there is. "We consider this law illegitimate and do not consent to be bound by it." You may not LIKE that defense, but it's a defense - pretty much the canonical anarchocapitalist one.

SideburnsOfDoom 11y ago

> "We consider this law illegitimate and do not consent to be bound by it." Which would be an astonishing statement to actually make, considering that air pollution kills people. It's basically singing the praises of corporate manslaughter. Even more so, given that anarchocapitalism isn't really popular in Germany any more.

rdsnsca 11y ago

To which the EPA will answer: "Your vehicles are no longer allowed to be sold in the US"

6stringmerc 11y ago

Very well stated, and I agree a defense exists for the accused. Gaming tests and parameters doesn't seem too far fetched to me. In high school one class allowed for one 3x5" notecard to be brought to the final exam, and it could have notes written on it. Following the letter but not the spirit of the rule, I used a razor blade to gently split the notecard and was able to peel it open for about 70% more writing space. Though a technicality, I did manage to use my device with approval in that case.

SideburnsOfDoom 11y ago
I don't really agree. Air pollution isn't like test notes at all, it kills people. If you had "Followed the letter but not the spirit of a rule" and wound up endangering people's health, do you honestly think there would be no repercussions other than a "haha, clever you! You can get away with it on a technicality this once" ?
- 6stringmerc 11y ago
  Can you empirically show that Air Pollution in the US killed more people in 2015 than listeria in Blue Bell ice cream? Being good stewards of the Eart is important, and as long as there are regulations and rules, there will be different attitudes to contend with. I consider air quality to be valuable, I genuinely do. I also think the entire annual production of all VW automobiles globally does less air quality "damage" than one season of wildfires in the western United States. Or a vocanic eruption.
  - SideburnsOfDoom 11y ago
    > Can you empirically show that Air Pollution in the US killed more people in 2015 than listeria in Blue Bell ice cream? "empirically show" is a stupefyingly high standard for a comments thread. I assume that you are familiar with the scale of the problem for starter? e.g. http://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/releases/2014/air-pollution/en/ http://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/releases/2014/air-pollut... http://www.theweathernetwork.com/news/articles/study-air-pollution-deaths-to-double-by-2050/57507/ http://www.theweathernetwork.com/news/articles/study-air-pol... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-26973783 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-26973783 It's a misdirection on your part anyway, comparing a knowingly harmful and deceptive like this to Some industrial accident is not valid: People die in accidents; this does stop murder being a thing.
    - kamjam 11y ago
      If something really wants to be done about pollution from burning fossil fuels then bunker fuel may be a good place to start, that low grade crud burnt by shipping our wonderfully cheap crap from around the world... http://www.gizmag.com/shipping-pollution/11526/ http://www.gizmag.com/shipping-pollution/11526/