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Thanks for giving the reasoning for your downvote. But your argument is exactly the point of view that I already responded to in my initial comment. Not a singl

by erikb 11y ago

Thanks for giving the reasoning for your downvote. But your argument is exactly the point of view that I already responded to in my initial comment. Not a single line shows that you try to accept that other people follow another moral codex. You say "No, because in my moral codex that's a really bad thing, therefore I can't be tolerant." and that is exactly what Muslims argue if we talk about eating pork, dressing of women, joking about religion, etc. And that's why it's actually a good analogy. Or let me put it that way: The analogy is bad if you apply your moral codex. The analogy is good if you consider it a statement that is as bad as the headline in our moral codex, but from their point of view. This is the thinking step you should apply. And that's where the analogy comes from.

simonh 11y ago
First of all this practice has nothing whatever to do with Islam> This has been pointed out to you several times already and your persistent linking of this practice with that religion is at this point a pretty obviously deliberate slur. Please stop. Secondly, considering whether a practice has unwilling victims is a perfectly reasonable objective measure to apply when evaluating a practice. As a matter of fact, the kinds of abuse we are discussing are illegal in Afghanistan and are widely considered illegal and immoral abuse in the Muslim world, so your argument lacks merit because it is based on several false premises.
- vixen99 11y ago
  'Has nothing to do with Islam' and the proven numerous cases of Catholic (among others) priests having sex with boys have nothing to do with Christianity either? I'm on the fence on that one though we can agree it's not ordained in either faith. The injunctions for illegality and immorality you cite for the Muslim world apply equally to those for Christianity of course. Reading https://info.publicintelligence.net/HTT-PashtunSexuality.pdf https://info.publicintelligence.net/HTT-PashtunSexuality.pdf there seems to be a problem for men not being allowed to see the face of potential mates; is this custom associated with Islam or not? Catholic priests are not allowed to marry. What are they supposed to do with their sexual impulses. We know the unconvincing answer.
  - simonh 11y ago
    > ...there seems to be a problem for men not being allowed to see the face of potential mates; is this custom associated with Islam or not? Well, that's a digression on to a different topic. There's no law in traditional Islamic jurisprudence that requires wearing a veil, only modest forms of dress, and in fact it was not a common practice in the earliest history of Islam. Veils for women were adopted in later Islamic ruling courts as a fashion copied from Byzantium, as Greek women had worn veils since ancient times. Of course if you ask people in Afghanistan why they wear veils they will invoke Islam, but historically that's not the whole story. In case that's taken in a pejorative sense, as a Christian I have to accept that many of the practices in Christianity have accumulated through later history in the same way. That's just how tradition and culture work.
- erikb 11y ago
  I don't link anything to anything. Stop pretending I do and we can live on happily.

by erikb 11y ago

simonh 11y ago

First of all this practice has nothing whatever to do with Islam> This has been pointed out to you several times already and your persistent linking of this practice with that religion is at this point a pretty obviously deliberate slur. Please stop. Secondly, considering whether a practice has unwilling victims is a perfectly reasonable objective measure to apply when evaluating a practice. As a matter of fact, the kinds of abuse we are discussing are illegal in Afghanistan and are widely considered illegal and immoral abuse in the Muslim world, so your argument lacks merit because it is based on several false premises.

vixen99 11y ago
'Has nothing to do with Islam' and the proven numerous cases of Catholic (among others) priests having sex with boys have nothing to do with Christianity either? I'm on the fence on that one though we can agree it's not ordained in either faith. The injunctions for illegality and immorality you cite for the Muslim world apply equally to those for Christianity of course. Reading https://info.publicintelligence.net/HTT-PashtunSexuality.pdf https://info.publicintelligence.net/HTT-PashtunSexuality.pdf there seems to be a problem for men not being allowed to see the face of potential mates; is this custom associated with Islam or not? Catholic priests are not allowed to marry. What are they supposed to do with their sexual impulses. We know the unconvincing answer.
- simonh 11y ago
  > ...there seems to be a problem for men not being allowed to see the face of potential mates; is this custom associated with Islam or not? Well, that's a digression on to a different topic. There's no law in traditional Islamic jurisprudence that requires wearing a veil, only modest forms of dress, and in fact it was not a common practice in the earliest history of Islam. Veils for women were adopted in later Islamic ruling courts as a fashion copied from Byzantium, as Greek women had worn veils since ancient times. Of course if you ask people in Afghanistan why they wear veils they will invoke Islam, but historically that's not the whole story. In case that's taken in a pejorative sense, as a Christian I have to accept that many of the practices in Christianity have accumulated through later history in the same way. That's just how tradition and culture work.
erikb 11y ago
I don't link anything to anything. Stop pretending I do and we can live on happily.