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I suspect this lawsuit will fail. If I were feeling more cynical I would say that plaintiffs' counsel knew that and filed it to intimidate some of the mirror si
by declan 11y ago
I suspect this lawsuit will fail. If I were feeling more cynical I would say that plaintiffs' counsel knew that and filed it to intimidate some of the mirror sites into shutting down.
In Bartnicki v. Vopper, SCOTUS held that a radio station had a 1A right to distribute stolen property--an illegally wiretapped conversation. Because the recording came to the station over the transom, the station was not involved in the illegal wiretapping itself, just like the Ashley Madison mirror sites today.
On the other hand, the Bartnicki court recognized that there were "important interests to be considered on both sides" and pointedly did not consider "domestic gossip or other information of purely private concern." In that case the illegally intercepted conversation was of public concern.
If this ever goes to SCOTUS (unlikely) I suspect it will favor the 1A arguments because of the unique nature of Ashley Madison. It's not a dating site for singles, but a service for "discreet married dating," after all, which necessarily implicates the other person in a marriage. And the current SCOTUS is probably more 1A-protective than it was in 2001.
Also all the allegations lodged against the mirror sites could be lodged against news organizations that are reporting on the data dump and naming names. So the plaintiffs will have to persuade courts to invent a new theory of liability that sweeps in mirror sites but not news organizations, a non-trivial task. How about a news organization that publishes hundreds of names?
- bigiain 11y ago> because of the unique nature of Ashley Madison Indeed, the first para of that complaint describes it as: "the adultery website and dating service known as “Ashley Madison”" (I can't help but think they've very carefully chosen that specific wording - probably as part of other arguments they're going to make...)
- FullyInvested 11y ago>(I can't help but think they've very carefully chosen that specific wording - probably as part of other arguments they're going to make...) Adultery is still illegal in some states[0]. So the argument is likely going to be that Ashley Madison was facilitating criminal behavior. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adultery#United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adultery#United_States
- Natsu 11y agoOne of the mirror sites, according to the picture in the complaint itself mentions use by investigators & journalists quite prominently. I was sort of surprised that the complaint would feature that, but they seem to have completely avoided any mention of free speech concerns at all, focusing on the 'stolen property' angle entirely.