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>as we can much better tweak nutritional content of meat, when we construct it ourselves Hmm, I heard something vaguely familiar not so long ago... Have people

>as we can much better tweak nutritional content of meat, when we construct it ourselves Hmm, I heard something vaguely familiar not so long ago... Have people already forgotten trans-fats? To call meat, let alone nutrition, complex is an understatement that borders on comical. To think the first hundred iterations of artificial meat will be anything short of carcinogenic strikes me as an opinion ill-informed by history.

eimai134 11y ago
Those are two entirely different things. This type of fake meat is plant-based. Trans fats are highly uncommon in nature, and the hydrogenation process used to create them is completely different from what goes into making fake meats.
- omginternets 11y ago
  >and the hydrogenation process used to create them is completely different from what goes into making fake meats. And this is completely missing the point, which is that the processes used to make fake meat are significantly different from those encountered in nature, and therefore likely to introduce side-effects.
CamperBob2 11y ago
As somebody pointed out in a comment on another story, your CPU executed about a dozen instructions while the light from your monitor traveled to reach your eyes. So I think we can make meat.
- nulltype 11y ago
  Of course we can, but could we manufacture pure solid hubris?
  - CamperBob2 11y ago
    I think that's already pretty much nailed.
- paulojreis 11y ago
  Oh, of course. Processing power and extensive computation solves everything, right?
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- coldtea 11y ago
  >Your CPU executed about a dozen instructions while the light from your monitor traveled to reach your eyes. So I think we can make meat. Argument from non sequitur?
  - CamperBob2 11y ago
    Argument from "When there's a will, and a lot of money, there's a way."
    - omginternets 11y ago
      So an argument on faith, then? That's not any better.
- omginternets 11y ago
  >So I think we can make meat. Show me the meat. (And show me that it's harmless).
  - CamperBob2 11y ago
    And show me that it's harmless I'm afraid it doesn't work that way.
    - omginternets 11y ago
      No kidding. That's precisely what I'm saying: we can't know it's safe. The best we can do is be conservative in managing the risk. The manufacturing of artificial meat is necessarily a significant departure from cultivating it organically. The last time we tried to optimize our food in a non-trivial way, we created something unhealthy enough to be banned 20 years later. This is all part of the empirical process, I understand, but I find it surprising that nobody wants to acknowledge how risky the proposition is.

eimai134 11y ago

Those are two entirely different things. This type of fake meat is plant-based. Trans fats are highly uncommon in nature, and the hydrogenation process used to create them is completely different from what goes into making fake meats.

omginternets 11y ago
>and the hydrogenation process used to create them is completely different from what goes into making fake meats. And this is completely missing the point, which is that the processes used to make fake meat are significantly different from those encountered in nature, and therefore likely to introduce side-effects.

CamperBob2 11y ago

As somebody pointed out in a comment on another story, your CPU executed about a dozen instructions while the light from your monitor traveled to reach your eyes. So I think we can make meat.

nulltype 11y ago
Of course we can, but could we manufacture pure solid hubris?
- CamperBob2 11y ago
  I think that's already pretty much nailed.
paulojreis 11y ago
Oh, of course. Processing power and extensive computation solves everything, right?
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coldtea 11y ago
>Your CPU executed about a dozen instructions while the light from your monitor traveled to reach your eyes. So I think we can make meat. Argument from non sequitur?
- CamperBob2 11y ago
  Argument from "When there's a will, and a lot of money, there's a way."
  - omginternets 11y ago
    So an argument on faith, then? That's not any better.
omginternets 11y ago
>So I think we can make meat. Show me the meat. (And show me that it's harmless).
- CamperBob2 11y ago
  And show me that it's harmless I'm afraid it doesn't work that way.
  - omginternets 11y ago
    No kidding. That's precisely what I'm saying: we can't know it's safe. The best we can do is be conservative in managing the risk. The manufacturing of artificial meat is necessarily a significant departure from cultivating it organically. The last time we tried to optimize our food in a non-trivial way, we created something unhealthy enough to be banned 20 years later. This is all part of the empirical process, I understand, but I find it surprising that nobody wants to acknowledge how risky the proposition is.