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The biggest problem I see with the proposed solutions at the bottom is that the author arrives on the two node-based solutions as the preferred path forward. Th

The biggest problem I see with the proposed solutions at the bottom is that the author arrives on the two node-based solutions as the preferred path forward. The reason Wordpress has become so successful over the years is that even the least expensive hosting provider has mod_php installed and you merely have to drop your installation files on the server via FTP. This is easy enough for many less technical people to accomplish. Node, ruby, and the like typically require more advanced and expensive hosting solutions, in my experience. Of course I haven't used any of these cheap hosting solutions or setup a Wordpress site in a couple years so I might be out of date on the state of things.

rokhayakebe 11y ago
Re:PHP. That's, this is why Wordpress won on the web.
ac29 11y ago
The host I have a few business wesbites on supports Node, Ruby, PHP, Python, Redis, Memcached, MySQL, and MongoDB on all of their hosting packages except the very cheapest one. I think I'm paying like $100/year, although these are small/low traffic sites so I dont need or get a lot of disk or bandwidth. Then again I went out of my way to find a good host after dealing with so many terrible ones.
servercobra 11y ago
Yeah, I was with him up until that point. That's a huge negative, and something that could be avoided very simply by using a framework other than React.
onion2k 11y ago
That's all true, and there's no reason why Wordpress couldn't continue to service the users who want a simple solution for setting up a website ... But that doesn't preclude creating a new solution for professionals setting up websites for other people that's based around modern techniques and languages. The fact that Wordpress is used by developers setting up a CMS and being paid thousands of dollars for it is what could be improved upon.
roel_v 11y ago
"is that the author arrives on the two node-based solutions as the preferred path forward." That's the generous interpretation. A more jaded reader might have started reading the article thinking 'mention of Angular... 3... 2... 1... ah there it is! suggesting node... 3... 2... 1... ah there it is! Well at least he managed to contain himself until the next to last paragraph'. It's technology-centered myopic navel-gazing. Yeah nobody uses Wordpress because PHP in templates is not 'clean'... Oh wait, half the world does use Wordpress because everybody and their dog has a server with PHP and because it's dead simple to hack up something working by cramming some PHP into a template you bought for 5$. For 95% of all websites, who cares about maintenance? Just do a new one in 3 years with whatever is hot then. This article (and many like it, not singling this one out) reads like people who call themselves 'real' woodworkers, lamenting that people won't fork over $2500 for a hand-crafted oak dining table and instead get a $100 Ikea one. The popularity of 'Ikea hacks' amongst the crowd that tends to author articles like this is ironic in that sense...
- geon 11y ago
  Have you ever tried to modify a wordpress theme? It's a nightmare. And we are proffessional developers. Imagine the pain this must be for mere webdsigners. Fixing the mess that is wordpress is a very nobel goal.
  - pmlnr 11y ago
    Write your own and keep it simple. It's not that hard. The ones you can buy however are a nightmare for sure, so are most of the copy-pasted-glued-together ones.
    - geon 11y ago
      Admittedly, it was a few years since I looked at the inside of wp, but it was horrible, with php api calls inside the template code, bad/missing/misleading documentation and non-existing database structure.
  - weego 11y ago
    Come on, nightmare? It's kinda annoying, fussy and handle-turning, but taking a page that has been designed and fitting that into the template tags is really not all that bad for a days work.
technion 11y ago
>Of course I haven't used any of these cheap hosting solutions or setup a Wordpress site in a couple years I think what you'll find has changed in the last few years is that "cheap" hosting isn't limited to shared cPanel type accounts any more. The basic Linode is $10 per month, and presents a VPS with vastly more capabilities than your basic Bluehost plan. It's hard to argue such things exist due solely to pricing these days. Rather, they exist largely due to the contingency of developers requiring features such as "1-Click Wordpress install". You honestly wouldn't believe how often a helpdesk gets a call from someone saying "I'm a web developer and I've sold a website I built to a company on your host. Apparently I need to install something called Filezilla, can you help me with that?" And that's why Wordpress will never run on Node.
- trebor 11y ago
  > The basic Linode is $10 per month, and presents a VPS with vastly more capabilities than your basic Bluehost plan. Which works great if you have an in-house sysadmin to keep those servers in working order. Otherwise, going with managed hosting is much better for a client.
  - technion 11y ago
    I don't disagree, but that plays into my point that you didn't choose based on what it was cheap.

rokhayakebe 11y ago

Re:PHP. That's, this is why Wordpress won on the web.

ac29 11y ago

The host I have a few business wesbites on supports Node, Ruby, PHP, Python, Redis, Memcached, MySQL, and MongoDB on all of their hosting packages except the very cheapest one. I think I'm paying like $100/year, although these are small/low traffic sites so I dont need or get a lot of disk or bandwidth. Then again I went out of my way to find a good host after dealing with so many terrible ones.

servercobra 11y ago

Yeah, I was with him up until that point. That's a huge negative, and something that could be avoided very simply by using a framework other than React.

onion2k 11y ago

That's all true, and there's no reason why Wordpress couldn't continue to service the users who want a simple solution for setting up a website ... But that doesn't preclude creating a new solution for professionals setting up websites for other people that's based around modern techniques and languages. The fact that Wordpress is used by developers setting up a CMS and being paid thousands of dollars for it is what could be improved upon.

roel_v 11y ago

"is that the author arrives on the two node-based solutions as the preferred path forward." That's the generous interpretation. A more jaded reader might have started reading the article thinking 'mention of Angular... 3... 2... 1... ah there it is! suggesting node... 3... 2... 1... ah there it is! Well at least he managed to contain himself until the next to last paragraph'. It's technology-centered myopic navel-gazing. Yeah nobody uses Wordpress because PHP in templates is not 'clean'... Oh wait, half the world does use Wordpress because everybody and their dog has a server with PHP and because it's dead simple to hack up something working by cramming some PHP into a template you bought for 5$. For 95% of all websites, who cares about maintenance? Just do a new one in 3 years with whatever is hot then. This article (and many like it, not singling this one out) reads like people who call themselves 'real' woodworkers, lamenting that people won't fork over $2500 for a hand-crafted oak dining table and instead get a $100 Ikea one. The popularity of 'Ikea hacks' amongst the crowd that tends to author articles like this is ironic in that sense...

geon 11y ago
Have you ever tried to modify a wordpress theme? It's a nightmare. And we are proffessional developers. Imagine the pain this must be for mere webdsigners. Fixing the mess that is wordpress is a very nobel goal.
- pmlnr 11y ago
  Write your own and keep it simple. It's not that hard. The ones you can buy however are a nightmare for sure, so are most of the copy-pasted-glued-together ones.
  - geon 11y ago
    Admittedly, it was a few years since I looked at the inside of wp, but it was horrible, with php api calls inside the template code, bad/missing/misleading documentation and non-existing database structure.
- weego 11y ago
  Come on, nightmare? It's kinda annoying, fussy and handle-turning, but taking a page that has been designed and fitting that into the template tags is really not all that bad for a days work.

technion 11y ago

>Of course I haven't used any of these cheap hosting solutions or setup a Wordpress site in a couple years I think what you'll find has changed in the last few years is that "cheap" hosting isn't limited to shared cPanel type accounts any more. The basic Linode is $10 per month, and presents a VPS with vastly more capabilities than your basic Bluehost plan. It's hard to argue such things exist due solely to pricing these days. Rather, they exist largely due to the contingency of developers requiring features such as "1-Click Wordpress install". You honestly wouldn't believe how often a helpdesk gets a call from someone saying "I'm a web developer and I've sold a website I built to a company on your host. Apparently I need to install something called Filezilla, can you help me with that?" And that's why Wordpress will never run on Node.

trebor 11y ago
> The basic Linode is $10 per month, and presents a VPS with vastly more capabilities than your basic Bluehost plan. Which works great if you have an in-house sysadmin to keep those servers in working order. Otherwise, going with managed hosting is much better for a client.
- technion 11y ago
  I don't disagree, but that plays into my point that you didn't choose based on what it was cheap.