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Lessons from Gurgaon, India's private city (2014) [pdf]

27 points by yummyfajitas 11y ago

captn3m0 11y ago
Abstract from the author's Publications page: >In just thirty years, Gurgaon has grown from a tiny hamlet to a city of nearly two million people and it has done so based almost entirely on the private provision of public goods, including transportation, utilities, and security. In some rankings, Gurgaon is the best city in India in which to live and work (Behl 2009). Gurgaon, however, lacks important infrastructure, especially in areas such as sewage and electricity where the optimal scale exceeds that of most builders. Thus, for large-scale infrastructure, important externalities are not internalized. We examine where Gurgaon has succeeded, where it has failed, and how people are adapting to both the successes and the failures. We compare Gurgaon with other private cities built on a different model, including Jamshedpur in India and Walt Disney World in the United States. The developing world, including India, is urbanizing rapidly. We draw lessons from Gurgaon to suggest how new private cities could be built on an even-greater scale, thus internalizing externalities while still keeping the advantages of private provision. [0]: https://mason.gmu.edu/~atabarro/TabarrokPublishedPapers.html https://mason.gmu.edu/~atabarro/TabarrokPublishedPapers.html
- digi_owl 11y ago
  > Walt Disney World On that note http://archive.wired.com/wired/archive/1.04/gibson.html http://archive.wired.com/wired/archive/1.04/gibson.html
- ams6110 11y ago
  > Gurgaon, however, lacks important infrastructure, especially in areas such as sewage and electricity where the optimal scale exceeds that of most builders. I'm not sure I see how this explanation makes sense. How can a bunch of bumbling elected city councils manage to construct adequate water and sewer works, and private builders who actually know what they are doing cannot.
  - digi_owl 11y ago
    Could be similar to Dubai, where i think they had problems with buildings being erected faster than the infrastructure could be expanded to handle them. End result were skyscrapers that had to get their sewage removed by truck each day, etc.
    - HarryHirsch 11y ago
      And this, ladies and gentlemen, is why planning permission was invented. Your proposed subdivision exceeds capacity of existing roads? Sorry, can't build here, because you can't make bank while unloading your externalities on the town council or the county. You want to build in a floodplain? Sorry dude, can't have that, it will flood, and everyone living there is suddenly a burden on the public purse because their savings vehicle has just been drowned.
      - bcoates 11y ago
        You want to not let people build skyscrapers to protect the egos of city authorities that can't build a sewage system that would meet the western standards of 100 years ago? Dubai has problems, but tall buildings aren't one of them.
  - omegaworks 11y ago
    It's mostly to do with power and coordination. The private sector is great at meeting needs very efficiently, but the market needs to be shaped in the right way to make sure they don't burn the world to make your iced tea a little sweeter :)
  - zhte415 11y ago
    > How can a bunch of bumbling elected city councils manage to construct adequate water and sewer works, and private builders who actually know what they are doing cannot. Because they know what they're doing. Tragedy of the Commons https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_of_the_commons https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_of_the_commons
  - bane 11y ago
- rjuyal 11y ago
  Gurgaon is actually a worst place to live. Less secure, electricity and water problem, sewage. I can't imaging living in that place. I was there for barely one month and I quit.
cconcepts 11y ago
I've spent time in Gurgaon, and I hypothesize that some of the perceived successes of the city were more about marketing and social positioning than anything else. It is "the place to be" for the simple reason that other young, wealthy up and comers are seen there too. This is a much more powerful drawcard in certain circles than whether there are proper municipal facilities or not. similar things have been achieved across India, EG Mumbai's Bandra-Kurla complex. Property developers well understand their target market's desire to appear a certain way and leverage this knowledge extremely well.
vadym909 11y ago
I have friends that live and work there and they swear they wouldn't if they had an option. Gurgaon and NOIDA on the opposite end of Delhi grew because real estate prices were skyrocketing in Delhi. Multinational companies outsourcing to captive centers in India wanted cheap office space and therefore setup in Gurgaon. Outside of the glass and steel towers are potholed roads that never get fixed. It takes >1 hr to get to from Delhi even though it is just 15 miles because of bad traffic controls. There is no assured water or electricity. I hope people don't take lessons from Gurgaon. Older cities like Mumbai, Chandigarh and New Delhi are still better.
ramgorur 11y ago
I do not agree, this the worst place to live in haryana, "corporations putting up glass buildings" is not a good metric to measure progress. I think rural haryana is a better than gurgaon even without 24 hr electricity, there you can at least breathe.

27 points by yummyfajitas 11y ago

Abstract from the author's Publications page: >In just thirty years, Gurgaon has grown from a tiny hamlet to a city of nearly two million people and it has done so based almost entirely on the private provision of public goods, including transportation, utilities, and security. In some rankings, Gurgaon is the best city in India in which to live and work (Behl 2009). Gurgaon, however, lacks important infrastructure, especially in areas such as sewage and electricity where the optimal scale exceeds that of most builders. Thus, for large-scale infrastructure, important externalities are not internalized. We examine where Gurgaon has succeeded, where it has failed, and how people are adapting to both the successes and the failures. We compare Gurgaon with other private cities built on a different model, including Jamshedpur in India and Walt Disney World in the United States. The developing world, including India, is urbanizing rapidly. We draw lessons from Gurgaon to suggest how new private cities could be built on an even-greater scale, thus internalizing externalities while still keeping the advantages of private provision. [0]: https://mason.gmu.edu/~atabarro/TabarrokPublishedPapers.html https://mason.gmu.edu/~atabarro/TabarrokPublishedPapers.html

digi_owl 11y ago
> Walt Disney World On that note http://archive.wired.com/wired/archive/1.04/gibson.html http://archive.wired.com/wired/archive/1.04/gibson.html
ams6110 11y ago
> Gurgaon, however, lacks important infrastructure, especially in areas such as sewage and electricity where the optimal scale exceeds that of most builders. I'm not sure I see how this explanation makes sense. How can a bunch of bumbling elected city councils manage to construct adequate water and sewer works, and private builders who actually know what they are doing cannot.
- digi_owl 11y ago
  Could be similar to Dubai, where i think they had problems with buildings being erected faster than the infrastructure could be expanded to handle them. End result were skyscrapers that had to get their sewage removed by truck each day, etc.
  - HarryHirsch 11y ago
    And this, ladies and gentlemen, is why planning permission was invented. Your proposed subdivision exceeds capacity of existing roads? Sorry, can't build here, because you can't make bank while unloading your externalities on the town council or the county. You want to build in a floodplain? Sorry dude, can't have that, it will flood, and everyone living there is suddenly a burden on the public purse because their savings vehicle has just been drowned.
    - bcoates 11y ago
      You want to not let people build skyscrapers to protect the egos of city authorities that can't build a sewage system that would meet the western standards of 100 years ago? Dubai has problems, but tall buildings aren't one of them.
- omegaworks 11y ago
  It's mostly to do with power and coordination. The private sector is great at meeting needs very efficiently, but the market needs to be shaped in the right way to make sure they don't burn the world to make your iced tea a little sweeter :)
- zhte415 11y ago
  > How can a bunch of bumbling elected city councils manage to construct adequate water and sewer works, and private builders who actually know what they are doing cannot. Because they know what they're doing. Tragedy of the Commons https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_of_the_commons https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_of_the_commons
- bane 11y ago
rjuyal 11y ago
Gurgaon is actually a worst place to live. Less secure, electricity and water problem, sewage. I can't imaging living in that place. I was there for barely one month and I quit.

cconcepts 11y ago

I've spent time in Gurgaon, and I hypothesize that some of the perceived successes of the city were more about marketing and social positioning than anything else. It is "the place to be" for the simple reason that other young, wealthy up and comers are seen there too. This is a much more powerful drawcard in certain circles than whether there are proper municipal facilities or not. similar things have been achieved across India, EG Mumbai's Bandra-Kurla complex. Property developers well understand their target market's desire to appear a certain way and leverage this knowledge extremely well.

vadym909 11y ago

I have friends that live and work there and they swear they wouldn't if they had an option. Gurgaon and NOIDA on the opposite end of Delhi grew because real estate prices were skyrocketing in Delhi. Multinational companies outsourcing to captive centers in India wanted cheap office space and therefore setup in Gurgaon. Outside of the glass and steel towers are potholed roads that never get fixed. It takes >1 hr to get to from Delhi even though it is just 15 miles because of bad traffic controls. There is no assured water or electricity. I hope people don't take lessons from Gurgaon. Older cities like Mumbai, Chandigarh and New Delhi are still better.

ramgorur 11y ago

I do not agree, this the worst place to live in haryana, "corporations putting up glass buildings" is not a good metric to measure progress. I think rural haryana is a better than gurgaon even without 24 hr electricity, there you can at least breathe.