But this is the point. Now you've felt the need to teach a lesson... which also has nothing valuable to add. I feel like any conversation on Java or newer Java

But this is the point. Now you've felt the need to teach a lesson... which also has nothing valuable to add. I feel like any conversation on Java or newer Java does lend itself to my point. If we can't add any personal experiences to these stories, then why do we have a comments section? I know it's not just so we can post links to other facts. And no, I'm not stuck in this thread. I'm trying to do the fair thing and remove a response to a personal attack and name-calling (which was mine). I stand by my initial statement. I work in an environment where a ton of Java devs don't understand why the pesky front end people keep asking for these RESTful JSON APIs. "Why can't we just do some JSPs and give you an XML/XHR when you need a hint of dynamic-ness?" This is what brings on personal attacks. The attitude in which you post. If you fail to see my original point, ask for clarification. It would have caused me to edit my original and change my tone.