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I've almost always used agile == scrum ...I'm not completely clueless, but geeze, I don't talk to my general manager about scrum or xp ...I just talk about agi

I've almost always used agile == scrum ...I'm not completely clueless, but geeze, I don't talk to my general manager about scrum or xp ...I just talk about agile. EDIT: and I put the agile manifesto outside my cube-wall highlighting Individuals and interactions over processes and tools

mindcrime 11y ago
I don't talk to my general manager about scrum or xp ...I just talk about agile. Interesting. I'm not sure I'd agree with that approach, as I think the distinction between "agile" as a general description of a family of processes, and the specifics of a given implementation within that family, does matter. But maybe I just nit-pick too much. Then again, I also hate the term "sprint" and try not to use it. I think it's misleading and such an inappropriate metaphor as to be actively harmful. I prefer to use "iteration", even in a Scrum environment.
- andyidsinga 11y ago
  re sprint: I also hate "sprints" ...you can't sprint forever. I've not tried to get rid of it though.. maybe I should try. So, because we can't sprint forever, I built "admin week" into our process - we sprint for 2 weeks, heads down nobody bugs devs (but me). then the 3rd week we "rest", do demo day - show progress and prep for next "sprint".
  - mindcrime 11y ago
    I also hate "sprints" ...you can't sprint forever. Exactly! It's a totally broken metaphor, as nobody can sprint, sprint, sprint, sprint, ... forever with no pauses, rest, or slow periods in between. So, because we can't sprint forever, I built "admin week" into our process - we sprint for 2 weeks, heads down nobody bugs devs (but me). then the 3rd week we "rest", do demo day - show progress and prep for next "sprint". Yeah, I usually try to do something similar to that. It makes a lot more sense to me, than trying to pretend that you can "sprint" continuously for an indefinite period of time.
jghn 11y ago
I almost always see "agile" and "scrum" used interchangeably out in the wild, including my workplace. Because I kept complaining about that many people at work seem to be saying "agile scrum" now but it makes me feel like RMS insisting on GNU/Linux.
- andyidsinga 11y ago
  nice touch with RMS :) "agile scrum" is probably a good way to talk about it. after I go lick my wounds from this thread I'll adopt that one
  - jghn 11y ago
    The only issue I have with "agile scrum" is that the people saying it are still viewing them as the same thing but just want to appease folks like me. But it's good enough I suppose.

mindcrime 11y ago

I don't talk to my general manager about scrum or xp ...I just talk about agile. Interesting. I'm not sure I'd agree with that approach, as I think the distinction between "agile" as a general description of a family of processes, and the specifics of a given implementation within that family, does matter. But maybe I just nit-pick too much. Then again, I also hate the term "sprint" and try not to use it. I think it's misleading and such an inappropriate metaphor as to be actively harmful. I prefer to use "iteration", even in a Scrum environment.

andyidsinga 11y ago
re sprint: I also hate "sprints" ...you can't sprint forever. I've not tried to get rid of it though.. maybe I should try. So, because we can't sprint forever, I built "admin week" into our process - we sprint for 2 weeks, heads down nobody bugs devs (but me). then the 3rd week we "rest", do demo day - show progress and prep for next "sprint".
- mindcrime 11y ago
  I also hate "sprints" ...you can't sprint forever. Exactly! It's a totally broken metaphor, as nobody can sprint, sprint, sprint, sprint, ... forever with no pauses, rest, or slow periods in between. So, because we can't sprint forever, I built "admin week" into our process - we sprint for 2 weeks, heads down nobody bugs devs (but me). then the 3rd week we "rest", do demo day - show progress and prep for next "sprint". Yeah, I usually try to do something similar to that. It makes a lot more sense to me, than trying to pretend that you can "sprint" continuously for an indefinite period of time.

jghn 11y ago

I almost always see "agile" and "scrum" used interchangeably out in the wild, including my workplace. Because I kept complaining about that many people at work seem to be saying "agile scrum" now but it makes me feel like RMS insisting on GNU/Linux.

andyidsinga 11y ago
nice touch with RMS :) "agile scrum" is probably a good way to talk about it. after I go lick my wounds from this thread I'll adopt that one
- jghn 11y ago
  The only issue I have with "agile scrum" is that the people saying it are still viewing them as the same thing but just want to appease folks like me. But it's good enough I suppose.