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Yeah well, I guess I needed to be much clearer than what I was otherwise snarky HN comments are to be expected. "More often than not, employers won't give rais

Yeah well, I guess I needed to be much clearer than what I was otherwise snarky HN comments are to be expected. "More often than not, employers won't give raises unless you do" That might be true, but you still should not use another offer as leverage during negotiations, that's bad either way. "Then you're a terrible manager who likely will drive out all of their talent." Well, thanks, I really appreciate HN compliments and that one is definitely one of the best :) I can't think of a single case when using another offer as leverage and saying "if I don't get X, I am leaving" is good, not a single one. I do however think that no matter how much you are asking, if you are respectful and you are worth it to the company, you will get it.

JoeAltmaier 11y ago
It may be badly stated, but the sentiment I agree with. If I can show you how you undervalue my work (here's somebody who would pay more) then that's coming to the table with honest intentions. Its saying "I'd like to stay, but I feel underappreciated. What can you do to correct that?" I see no reason to reject that argument out of hand. Since no rationale was given for the policy of serving them notice if somebody speaks up, its fair to observe that its probably going to lose you some good people.
- avitzurel 11y ago
  With that, I agree 100%. I had the exact same situation with an employee about 3 years ago, the client he was working with offered him a job with more money that he was making. After a discussion with him, he said "I am happy here, but I cannot turn my back on so much more money" (it was 40% more). This is completely different than what described with intentionally going out to get another offer just for leverage when you want a raise. That has respect, it has honesty and that is something I am completely on board with.
  - JoeAltmaier 11y ago
    My colleague considers every annual review as a renewed offer of employment. With that mindset, periodically interviewing for other jobs is a normal thing to do; you take the best offer you get. In this world view, going out to get another offer isn't 'for leverage', its part of a career process that makes sense.

JoeAltmaier 11y ago

It may be badly stated, but the sentiment I agree with. If I can show you how you undervalue my work (here's somebody who would pay more) then that's coming to the table with honest intentions. Its saying "I'd like to stay, but I feel underappreciated. What can you do to correct that?" I see no reason to reject that argument out of hand. Since no rationale was given for the policy of serving them notice if somebody speaks up, its fair to observe that its probably going to lose you some good people.

avitzurel 11y ago
With that, I agree 100%. I had the exact same situation with an employee about 3 years ago, the client he was working with offered him a job with more money that he was making. After a discussion with him, he said "I am happy here, but I cannot turn my back on so much more money" (it was 40% more). This is completely different than what described with intentionally going out to get another offer just for leverage when you want a raise. That has respect, it has honesty and that is something I am completely on board with.
- JoeAltmaier 11y ago
  My colleague considers every annual review as a renewed offer of employment. With that mindset, periodically interviewing for other jobs is a normal thing to do; you take the best offer you get. In this world view, going out to get another offer isn't 'for leverage', its part of a career process that makes sense.