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> sports bring in revenue and academics do not. ?!?! In high schools in the US, academics are intimately linked to funding. Sports are not. I guarantee you no

by nmrm2 11y ago

> sports bring in revenue and academics do not. ?!?! In high schools in the US, academics are intimately linked to funding. Sports are not. I guarantee you no teacher or administrator gives a shit about how much money the Friday night concession stand is bringing in. It probably doesn't even cover the electricity bill for the flood lights. But they do all care a lot about test scores and other (mostly academically-related) metrics that determine how many millions in state/federal funding they receive. Sports are one of many ways that students can use their free time to learn to socialize, lead, and work in a group. Those are all important skills that are hard to teach in a classroom, and running a sports team (or robotics team or programming competition team or chess club) is a hell of a lot cheaper than running a classroom. And often far more enjoyable for everyone involved.

Lawtonfogle 11y ago
>or robotics team or programming competition team or chess club And yet these are rare and never given the same prestige that sports does. Being a member of many of those clubs will likely negatively impact your ability to socialize and learn social skills as you will be ostracized by the larger groups.
- nmrm2 11y ago
  > And yet these are rare They are too rare, which is why it's important for (even/especially childless) engineers to be actively involved in the after-school activities offered by surrounding schools. > and never given the same prestige that sports does. This might be true in some schools, but in every school I've worked with (which have included everything from blue collar suburb to pretty depressingly poor urban), academics are values much more than sports. Kids who do well at sports get validation. And they should. Performing well in a competition -- any competition -- requires equal parts skill and dedication. So why don't academics get the same sort of social validation from adults as sports? It's worth remembering that the social validation is probably the only validation high school athletes will receive. In contrast, most people assume that academics will be validated by scholarships, and that the intermediate social validation is therefore unnecessary. That painfully over-estimates the maturity of the typical high schooler (even a bright one), but it's a common mindset. So it's not that academics isn't valued over sports; rather, it's more like the value of academic achievement is perceived to be self-evident and therefore doesn't require social validation, whereas for sports that's not so much the case. > Being a member of many of those clubs will likely negatively impact your ability to socialize That's not true at all! It will absolutely improve your ability to work on problems with a group. No one on a robotics team is going to ostracize someone because they are on a robotics team... > as you will be ostracized by the larger groups. Bullies are everywhere in life. Knowing how to live life and get work done in spite of bullying is an important skill.

by nmrm2 11y ago

Lawtonfogle 11y ago

>or robotics team or programming competition team or chess club And yet these are rare and never given the same prestige that sports does. Being a member of many of those clubs will likely negatively impact your ability to socialize and learn social skills as you will be ostracized by the larger groups.

nmrm2 11y ago
> And yet these are rare They are too rare, which is why it's important for (even/especially childless) engineers to be actively involved in the after-school activities offered by surrounding schools. > and never given the same prestige that sports does. This might be true in some schools, but in every school I've worked with (which have included everything from blue collar suburb to pretty depressingly poor urban), academics are values much more than sports. Kids who do well at sports get validation. And they should. Performing well in a competition -- any competition -- requires equal parts skill and dedication. So why don't academics get the same sort of social validation from adults as sports? It's worth remembering that the social validation is probably the only validation high school athletes will receive. In contrast, most people assume that academics will be validated by scholarships, and that the intermediate social validation is therefore unnecessary. That painfully over-estimates the maturity of the typical high schooler (even a bright one), but it's a common mindset. So it's not that academics isn't valued over sports; rather, it's more like the value of academic achievement is perceived to be self-evident and therefore doesn't require social validation, whereas for sports that's not so much the case. > Being a member of many of those clubs will likely negatively impact your ability to socialize That's not true at all! It will absolutely improve your ability to work on problems with a group. No one on a robotics team is going to ostracize someone because they are on a robotics team... > as you will be ostracized by the larger groups. Bullies are everywhere in life. Knowing how to live life and get work done in spite of bullying is an important skill.