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Apparently there is such a law as anti-hoax bomb so it would be hard to prosecute officers. Another reason it's hard to prosecute bad cops is the same reason it

Apparently there is such a law as anti-hoax bomb so it would be hard to prosecute officers. Another reason it's hard to prosecute bad cops is the same reason it's hard to fire bad teachers: powerful unions, which by the way Obama and Hillary support. These unions don't care about safety or education (in case of teachers unions), they only care about protecting officers and teachers jobs, no matter how bad or criminal they can act.

001sky 11y ago
The design of the clock is absurd for a "random project". If the kid walks into an airport with that, its basically like yelling fire in a movie theatre. its not freedom of speech, even tho its speech. If this is a politicised stunt (which it appears to be), same issues at play. This whole insident basically looks like a johnny knonxville stunt form Jackass (the mtv show). If its true that his father is a former presidential candidate from an african country (ie, apparenely delusions of grandeur -- hhttps://www.vox.com/2015/9/16/9339063/ahmed-mohamed-elhassan https://www.vox.com/2015/9/16/9339063/ahmed-mohamed-elhassan) it further undermines this entire narrative of the media frenzy.
- bigiain 11y ago
  Seriously? You think it's the _clock design_ that's absurd, and not the school and cop's ignorant reactions? Should I be convicted of a "bomb hoax" for this? https://www.flickr.com/photos/bigiain/5162711688/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/bigiain/5162711688/ Note my description from five years ago shows somewhat more considered-but-not-carried-out intent than this kid... I think you are 100% wrong. People who assume anything vaguely electronic that they don't understand must be "terrorism" are the problem here, not smart kids building things out of what they have at hand with whatever aesthetic they like. In my opinion, it's the school and the cops who were yelling "fire" in this movie theatre. And this isn't the first time "the authorities" have go this just as badly wrong: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Boston_bomb_scare https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Boston_bomb_scare https://boingboing.net/2007/09/21/mit-student-arrested.html https://boingboing.net/2007/09/21/mit-student-arrested.html
  - 001sky 11y ago
    First, go try joking about explosives in security line at the airport, or at the white-house, or the local federal courthouse. Its not the joke you are getting (going to be) arrested for, its not the absurdity, its not the freedom of speech you are exercising. Its also not racist or whatever...it is just not the context for jokes. Second, The <carrier-device> for the "timepiece" is straight out of a B movie. see, eg https://www.google.com/search?q=what+is+a+gun+briefcase+look+like https://www.google.com/search?q=what+is+a+gun+briefcase+look... https://www.google.com/search?q=what+does+a+bomb+in+a+breifcase+looklike https://www.google.com/search?q=what+does+a+bomb+in+a+breifc...
    - Gigablah 11y ago
      Dude, it was the size of a pencil box. If comically tiny briefcases are such a cause for alarm... man, you guys are swept up in a culture of fear.
    - bigiain 11y ago
      First - he never mentioned, joked, or claimed anything about explosives (but the cops carefully framed that as him "not being forthcoming"). The only people talking about explosives were the "adults". Second - when did it become "OK" to handcuff and question children without lawyers based on what b-grade movie makers choose to use as stereotypes? (Sorry you're getting downvoted so hard - I disagree but would rather discuss and understand your position than downvote you to oblivion...)
      - 001sky 11y ago
        http://www.businessinsider.com/steve-wozniak-in-jail-fake-bomb-2011-10 http://www.businessinsider.com/steve-wozniak-in-jail-fake-bo...
        bigiain 11y ago
        Sure - Woz built a metronome - then realised it looked a bit like part of a bomb, and intentionally modified it to look like bomb, then hid it in a locker and purposely rigged it up to tick faster in the expectation that it'd be found. That's a _lot_ further down the path of "intent to create a bomb hoax" than "building a clock". (And personally, I'm of the opinion that putting a schoolkid in jail for what Woz did was ignorantly overreacting... Quite possibly because I was that same kind of schoolkid who'd make that same silly decision. Hell look at my Flickr photo's comment - I thought it would be hilarious to do that at 43 years old, it's just experience and perspective that stopped me building exactly what Woz made...)

001sky 11y ago

The design of the clock is absurd for a "random project". If the kid walks into an airport with that, its basically like yelling fire in a movie theatre. its not freedom of speech, even tho its speech. If this is a politicised stunt (which it appears to be), same issues at play. This whole insident basically looks like a johnny knonxville stunt form Jackass (the mtv show). If its true that his father is a former presidential candidate from an african country (ie, apparenely delusions of grandeur -- hhttps://www.vox.com/2015/9/16/9339063/ahmed-mohamed-elhassan https://www.vox.com/2015/9/16/9339063/ahmed-mohamed-elhassan) it further undermines this entire narrative of the media frenzy.

bigiain 11y ago
Seriously? You think it's the _clock design_ that's absurd, and not the school and cop's ignorant reactions? Should I be convicted of a "bomb hoax" for this? https://www.flickr.com/photos/bigiain/5162711688/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/bigiain/5162711688/ Note my description from five years ago shows somewhat more considered-but-not-carried-out intent than this kid... I think you are 100% wrong. People who assume anything vaguely electronic that they don't understand must be "terrorism" are the problem here, not smart kids building things out of what they have at hand with whatever aesthetic they like. In my opinion, it's the school and the cops who were yelling "fire" in this movie theatre. And this isn't the first time "the authorities" have go this just as badly wrong: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Boston_bomb_scare https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Boston_bomb_scare https://boingboing.net/2007/09/21/mit-student-arrested.html https://boingboing.net/2007/09/21/mit-student-arrested.html
- 001sky 11y ago
  First, go try joking about explosives in security line at the airport, or at the white-house, or the local federal courthouse. Its not the joke you are getting (going to be) arrested for, its not the absurdity, its not the freedom of speech you are exercising. Its also not racist or whatever...it is just not the context for jokes. Second, The <carrier-device> for the "timepiece" is straight out of a B movie. see, eg https://www.google.com/search?q=what+is+a+gun+briefcase+look+like https://www.google.com/search?q=what+is+a+gun+briefcase+look... https://www.google.com/search?q=what+does+a+bomb+in+a+breifcase+looklike https://www.google.com/search?q=what+does+a+bomb+in+a+breifc...
  - Gigablah 11y ago
    Dude, it was the size of a pencil box. If comically tiny briefcases are such a cause for alarm... man, you guys are swept up in a culture of fear.
  - bigiain 11y ago
    First - he never mentioned, joked, or claimed anything about explosives (but the cops carefully framed that as him "not being forthcoming"). The only people talking about explosives were the "adults". Second - when did it become "OK" to handcuff and question children without lawyers based on what b-grade movie makers choose to use as stereotypes? (Sorry you're getting downvoted so hard - I disagree but would rather discuss and understand your position than downvote you to oblivion...)
    - 001sky 11y ago
      http://www.businessinsider.com/steve-wozniak-in-jail-fake-bomb-2011-10 http://www.businessinsider.com/steve-wozniak-in-jail-fake-bo...
      - bigiain 11y ago
        Sure - Woz built a metronome - then realised it looked a bit like part of a bomb, and intentionally modified it to look like bomb, then hid it in a locker and purposely rigged it up to tick faster in the expectation that it'd be found. That's a _lot_ further down the path of "intent to create a bomb hoax" than "building a clock". (And personally, I'm of the opinion that putting a schoolkid in jail for what Woz did was ignorantly overreacting... Quite possibly because I was that same kind of schoolkid who'd make that same silly decision. Hell look at my Flickr photo's comment - I thought it would be hilarious to do that at 43 years old, it's just experience and perspective that stopped me building exactly what Woz made...)