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I can't say. I work here, but I don't speak for the company.

by antics 11y ago

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- fishtoaster 11y ago
  That figure is common knowledge, not new information that antics is sharing with us. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Source_lines_of_code#Example https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Source_lines_of_code#Example
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- antics 11y ago
  Not sure I understand your point. The source the article refers to claims Windows XP is ~45 million LOC, not me. I myself didn't give any specific numbers about the size of the codebase. Now, I don't think anyone would come for my head if I did give you a number -- what harm could it do, after all? But, personally, the line I draw is that I don't get too specific about internal data beyond a general order of magnitude, because I'm not here to speak for the company.
koide 11y ago
And why is that number a corporate secret?
- antics 11y ago
  I doubt it is, and I don't think I'd get in trouble for sharing it. But, it's not my job to decide whether or not that information should be shared, because it's not my job to speak for the company. I'm having a hard time understanding why people think this is not a reasonable position.
  - elsurudo 11y ago
    Well, you're the one here teasing everyone about it. Seems like it gives you a hard-on knowing something secret-ish. Pretty typical, I suppose. But please stop acting like you're the shit because you may know a number.
    - 4ad 11y ago
      I agree. The corporate policy is to not disclose that number, so all that the parent comment translates to is an appeal to authority. "You're wrong because I work for Microsoft and I know better!". But we're not told what the correct number is, and we have no way of assessing the validity of the claim anyway, so the whole discussion is completely vacuous.
      - rndn 11y ago
        I would agree in the sense that LOC isn't an informative metric at all since there is surely a lot of auto-generated and copy & paste code in there, likely superlineraly more than a medium sized software project. It doesn't matter whether it's off by some orders of magnitude as it's beyond imagination and comparison anyway.
    - dang 11y ago
      > Seems like it gives you a hard-on [...] please stop acting like you're the shit This comment breaks the HN guidelines. We ban accounts that do this repeatedly. Please post civilly and substantively, or not at all. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newswelcome.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newswelcome.html
  - robotresearcher 11y ago
    Because in a room full of interested people you said "I know something you don't." and the "ner ner ne-ner ner" was implied.
- cbpy 11y ago
  if combined with other data, it could show how inefficient/efficient programmers are
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4ad 11y ago
Well, you just said what it doesn't have, so I guess you speak for the company after all. Anyway, let me guess. Judging by how the size of all binaries shipped with Windows varied between releases, I'd be inclined to think Windows 10 does not have significantly more lines of code than Windows Vista. So I'd guess at most 100 million lines of code?
- fengqu 11y ago
  微软
- fengqu 11y ago
  谷歌
- antics 11y ago
  You are of course free to consult your employer and draw your line however you like. For me, I'm comfortable saying that I don't speak for the company and leaving the numbers within an order of magnitude. When it becomes my job to decide which numbers are and aren't fit to talk about publicly, I'm happy to update you.
  - wernercd 11y ago
    I wish you'd use standard numbers... like "Libraries of Congress".
robotresearcher 11y ago
Wouldn't it be nice if by working there you felt empowered to speak for the company? The company is you and your colleagues.
- qnaal 11y ago
  I'd bet he has a lot of colleagues more qualified to question what he cares to reveal about their collective private intellectual property than you

I can't say. I work here, but I don't speak for the company.

by antics 11y ago

I can't say. I work here, but I don't speak for the company.

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fishtoaster 11y ago
That figure is common knowledge, not new information that antics is sharing with us. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Source_lines_of_code#Example https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Source_lines_of_code#Example
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antics 11y ago
Not sure I understand your point. The source the article refers to claims Windows XP is ~45 million LOC, not me. I myself didn't give any specific numbers about the size of the codebase. Now, I don't think anyone would come for my head if I did give you a number -- what harm could it do, after all? But, personally, the line I draw is that I don't get too specific about internal data beyond a general order of magnitude, because I'm not here to speak for the company.

koide 11y ago

And why is that number a corporate secret?

antics 11y ago
I doubt it is, and I don't think I'd get in trouble for sharing it. But, it's not my job to decide whether or not that information should be shared, because it's not my job to speak for the company. I'm having a hard time understanding why people think this is not a reasonable position.
- elsurudo 11y ago
  Well, you're the one here teasing everyone about it. Seems like it gives you a hard-on knowing something secret-ish. Pretty typical, I suppose. But please stop acting like you're the shit because you may know a number.
  - 4ad 11y ago
    I agree. The corporate policy is to not disclose that number, so all that the parent comment translates to is an appeal to authority. "You're wrong because I work for Microsoft and I know better!". But we're not told what the correct number is, and we have no way of assessing the validity of the claim anyway, so the whole discussion is completely vacuous.
    - rndn 11y ago
      I would agree in the sense that LOC isn't an informative metric at all since there is surely a lot of auto-generated and copy & paste code in there, likely superlineraly more than a medium sized software project. It doesn't matter whether it's off by some orders of magnitude as it's beyond imagination and comparison anyway.
  - dang 11y ago
    > Seems like it gives you a hard-on [...] please stop acting like you're the shit This comment breaks the HN guidelines. We ban accounts that do this repeatedly. Please post civilly and substantively, or not at all. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newswelcome.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newswelcome.html
- robotresearcher 11y ago
  Because in a room full of interested people you said "I know something you don't." and the "ner ner ne-ner ner" was implied.
cbpy 11y ago
if combined with other data, it could show how inefficient/efficient programmers are

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4ad 11y ago

Well, you just said what it doesn't have, so I guess you speak for the company after all. Anyway, let me guess. Judging by how the size of all binaries shipped with Windows varied between releases, I'd be inclined to think Windows 10 does not have significantly more lines of code than Windows Vista. So I'd guess at most 100 million lines of code?

fengqu 11y ago
微软
fengqu 11y ago
谷歌
antics 11y ago
You are of course free to consult your employer and draw your line however you like. For me, I'm comfortable saying that I don't speak for the company and leaving the numbers within an order of magnitude. When it becomes my job to decide which numbers are and aren't fit to talk about publicly, I'm happy to update you.
- wernercd 11y ago
  I wish you'd use standard numbers... like "Libraries of Congress".

robotresearcher 11y ago

Wouldn't it be nice if by working there you felt empowered to speak for the company? The company is you and your colleagues.

qnaal 11y ago
I'd bet he has a lot of colleagues more qualified to question what he cares to reveal about their collective private intellectual property than you