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As someone who is both (afro-latino), I'm really excited about this. After reading the majority of the comments, I'm a little disappointed. It seems that many d

As someone who is both (afro-latino), I'm really excited about this. After reading the majority of the comments, I'm a little disappointed. It seems that many do not understand that being white and male in the United States, by default, affords many privileges that monitories struggle to obtain. If there any questions about this, I'd be happy to answer. Curious to why the word Hispanic was used instead of Latino. If you are unfamiliar with the difference, read here: http://www.diffen.com/difference/Hispanic_vs_Latino http://www.diffen.com/difference/Hispanic_vs_Latino

mwseibel 11y ago
You are correct - we should have used the word Latino
tcdent 11y ago
I'm curious what privileges you perceive, or know to be true, for non-minorities. I absolutely agree there is a problem. I've heard many first-hand accounts of violence and disrespect from all races. I'm interested in a solution that doesn't just take the labels from a pie chart and reinforce the dividing lines between what ultimately is one group.
- tptacek 11y ago
  Example: I have an African American neighbor one block over that I see regularly. He works in IT/devops. Like every IT person, he gets yelled at by random people at work all the time; it's a high-stress job. But when he gets visibly frustrated, he's The Angry Black Man. Dipshit coworkers complain that they don't feel safe. It is an example of a white male privilege that being frustrated and swearing at your computer screen is unlikely to result in a white male being put on a PIP for having a "threatening demeanor". There are probably hundreds of things like this.
  - tcdent 11y ago
    That's really interesting. It sounds like that is very much a symptom of ingrained racism; something these people have been encouraged to do for most of their lives. I grew up in a pretty diverse neighborhood, so I know the people to fear are not divided along racial lines. Someone who came from a wealthier area would probably not have that opportunity. To the point I made elsewhere on this page, does a program like this help to reduce that perception of inferiority, or just get people riled up about someone getting a perceived handout? If the problem really is circumstantial, education seems like the obvious solution to me. In your specific example, the symptoms are fear driven; the more diverse experiences someone has, they more they will see how little there really is to fear. Travel is one of those obvious things that reduces bigotry.
    - tptacek 11y ago
      The idea behind the phone call is that it welcomes people into the field. If we want to couch these issues in the emotions of the victims, rather than the (often inadvertent) perpetrators, then yes: it's mostly about ameliorating "fear". I don't know that we need much psychoanalysis, though. Mostly what YC is doing is just neighborly common sense. Bluntly: people getting "riled up" about "perceived handouts" are complaining in bad faith, and their opinions shouldn't be taken into account. The 20 minute phone call YC is offering today is the least of the excuses people could generate about the persecution of the majority. If it's not this, it's something else.
      - cperciva 11y ago
        I don't think it's necessarily accurate to say that people are complaining in bad faith. They might just be wrong.
  - 001sky 11y ago
    Implicit trust is how to decode 'white privledge' quickly. Point being that it is something to take for granted, unless you have to establish it (or pay for the privledge). But it is very necessary in tech where alot happens by way of informal networking & referrals and lots of heuristic social screening comes into play (buy necessity, not malice). So those who have implicit trust are at a huge advantage (or at least an even playing field). And those that don't are on the ooposite end of that (battling uphill, etc).
    - tptacek 11y ago
      Another example that should be nearer to the hearts of anti-YC partisans: the "looking for people that look like Zuckerberg" bias Paul Graham accidentally evoked a few years back.
  - yummyfajitas 11y ago
    As a large white man, similar things have happened to me. "Can we have this conversation in the stairwell so I can stand 2 steps down and make you feel comfortable?" <- actual thing I've had to say and do with a crazy female coworker There may be some racial bias here (I don't have enough reliable data to have much of an opinion), but don't think majorities are immune.
    - waterlesscloud 11y ago
      I've had similar as well. Literally had managers tell me I can't express anger the way others do because it was intimidating when I did it. Size matters as much as anything in that kind of situation. At one job, I regularly interacted with a man who was larger than me and often angry. He was a few inches taller and 70-80 pounds heavier. He'd had a couple people threaten him with going to management for official notice when he got angry. I ended up dealing with him because I sort of understood how he felt about all that, so I'd just let his anger wash off my back. I knew he wasn't actually threatening. But it did give be the perspective of seeing someone larger than me who was angry, which was something I hadn't encountered as an adult. I could then see where others were coming from as well.
      - stephen_cagle 11y ago
        I actually think that is kind of interesting. As a 5'9'' guy, it aint a problem, but it is interesting. It reminds me of a character in the `Tale of Alvin Maker` series by Orson Scott Card. Forgot the characters name, but he was basically a bully and a 'sadist'. He had a sort of geasa placed on him as a baby, so that he never really got hurt. Anyway, he looses it, and suddenly is hurt badly. He suddenly understands what it was like for the people he was hurting. It wasn't really that he was a bad person, it was just that he had never experienced pain himself. It was enlightening when I read it as a teenager. Is it possible to really empathize until you experience something yourself? Don't know. BTW, I am not in any way implying you are a bully or sadist. :) Just saying it is interesting that you had a earnestly hard time understanding why other people felt threatened until... The exact same thing happened to you! Some human experiences are very hard to communicate, they seem to only be learned through direct experience.
  - copperred 11y ago
    "It is an example of a white male privilege" No it is not. You cannot point to poor treatment of one group as evidence of the "privilege" of another group. There are more than two colors of people.
    - nostrademons 11y ago
      Isn't that precisely what privilege means? Having advantages that accrue to you simply by membership in one group? There are degrees of privilege, too. I'm not white - I'm multiracial white/Asian, though I look basically Asian. I'm also not a Stanford grad, and my parents weren't millionaires. However, I grew up middle-class in a reasonably affluent suburb, my parents stayed married, they were highly educated, and I'm not black or Hispanic. These are all privileges; they are unearned advantages that I obtained through circumstances before my birth. That I'm not white and can't call up a VC to get them to fund my company doesn't make me unprivileged; it makes me less privileged than certain 1-in-a-million individuals.
      - deleted 11y ago
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      - mc32 11y ago
        What I read in that is that we can say Argentinians are privileged vs Paraguayans, because due to circumstance beyond anyone's control, Argentines are better off than Paraguayans. Same for Greeks vs Swedes?
        nostrademons 11y ago
        Fair assessment, I think. I don't know anything about the specific situations in those countries, but privilege is very frequently used in referring to say, coming from the U.S. vs. the rest of the world, or developed nations rather than developing nations.
      - getfitroxana 11y ago
        Okay, and when are we gonna talk about Jewish privilege? Because they get all the benefits of white privilege when they're white-passing, PLUS the benefits of being Jewish! http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4099803,00.html http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4099803,00.html (Ynetnews is an Israeli paper, by the way) "Since the mass immigration some 100 years ago, Jews have become richest religious group in American society. They make up only 2% of US population, but 25% of 400 wealthiest Americans. How did it happen, and how crucial is their aid to Israel?" Hmmm...
  - ebfe 11y ago
    Ok, let's carry this logic- the same disparity exists between men and women. Would you describe women who don't feel safe around their visibly angry coworkers as "dipshits", and dismiss this anger as venting? This must be an example of female privilege, right?
    - OrwellianChild 11y ago
      You're reading this backwards... The privilege part is that the Angry White Man doesn't get called out for raging much of the time. They get latitude. The black guy doesn't.
      - ebfe 11y ago
        Right. So the fact that the Angry White Woman doesn't get called out for raging much of the time, while the man does, is an example of female privilege. Right?
        dragonwriter 11y ago
        Sex differences of this type can be seen as privilege, but, in the real world, women who show strong emotion are often described as being hysterical or with other negative terms and marginalized while men are described as driven go-getters for the same behavior, and rewarded.
        geebee 11y ago
        I'm not sure men who show strong emotion are necessarily viewed as go-getters. Strong emotions can get men in plenty of trouble. I remember CW Nevius at sfgate (San Francisco chronicle) offered this perspective http://blog.sfgate.com/cwnevius/2013/11/21/aggressive-womenaggressive-men-another-view/ http://blog.sfgate.com/cwnevius/2013/11/21/aggressive-womena...
- bakhy 11y ago
  why do you think the lines are the problem? certainly, race is a thing. the problem is IMO in the asymmetry of power and opportunity between the slices of the pie chart. that races exist is undeniable, but racism does not stem just from acknowledging the existence of the variety of human race.
- lbotos 11y ago
  I'm white. I was once 14. I used to bring in all kinds of hacked together computer things to my high school all the time. I'd even bring in a soldering iron and solder at lunch. I was never arrested or questioned or considered a threat. Ahmed Mohammed was considered a threat. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34266389 http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34266389
  - balls187 11y ago
    > I'm white. I was once 14. When was this? I also was once 14, and I look like my name should be Ahmed Mohammed. I too also brought in crazy stuff to school. I was never considered a threat. Ofc this was 1994, and that was well before mass school shootings, and 9/11 (however it was during the height of gang violence and so any perceived gang affiliation was dealt with in similar manner).
    - lbotos 11y ago
      Post 9/11
  - BurningFrog 11y ago
    The sample size and selection of this survey of you and an internet celebrity renders it scientifically useless.
  - copperred 11y ago
    Not white privilege, but profiling of Ahmed.
- balls187 11y ago
  > I'm curious what privileges you perceive, or know to be true, for non-minorities. * Innocent until proven guilty (See driving while black) * Citizenship is rarely, if ever, questioned * Friendly relationship with Law Enforcement/Authority * Better health care[1] 1: http://www.nbcnews.com/health/kids-health/black-kids-get-less-pain-medication-white-kids-er-n427056 http://www.nbcnews.com/health/kids-health/black-kids-get-les...
  - balls187 11y ago
    * Less likely to be assumed a criminal, drug user, or other lower ranking member of society * Less likely to die of curable diseases * Lesser prison sentences for the same crimes committed by minorities. * Less likely to get passed over for a job interview * Easier time dating
    - balls187 11y ago
      * raise interest rates * Until recently be a credible candidate for president of the us
      - Mz 11y ago
        * Have a speech impediment and not be held back, even from high office like president of the us. (I have rebutted arguments that "It isn't racist to discriminate against blacks for having the black accent because it just proves they are uneducated and inarticulate" by saying "George W. Bush. If articulate speech is really the criteria, how did he ever get to be president? And if we can hire an inarticulate white guy but not an inarticulate black guy, then something in there is still racist somehow, no?")
- djtriptych 11y ago
  Racism happens in people's hearts and minds, not in policy. Fixing racism means fixing hearts and minds. Calling us "one group" diminishes the value of diversity, which is more or less a fact of nature. We are NOT all the same. Cultural intelligence is a thing. Anyway the specific problem with your race-blind view is that throughout American history we have employed race-sighted policy at every level of government to ensure peril for certain minorities. Correcting those efforts is an _active_ process of reaching out to the historically disadvantaged who, it can be proven, continue to feel the negative effects of racist American _policy_. Is that a more reasonable argument?
  - johnathanNYC 11y ago
    I completely disagree with this, but can you elaborate on racism not being in policy. I think you are confusing systemic racism (in regards to white privilege) with slurs, discrimination, hating someone's skin color, etc.
    - djtriptych 11y ago
      I mean it's possible to have ideally equitable policy and do almost nothing to address the root causes of racism.
      - poppysan 11y ago
        It's also possible to have policy that is intended to stifle, or harm a specific race. I mean Jim Crow laws were less than half a century ago. It's a shame that we have to debate this in 2015...
- johnathanNYC 11y ago
  At a high level; wealth, education and jobs which is easily afforded due to 400 years of slavery, 100 years of blatant discrimination and 50+ years discrimination built into the American Justice System. White Americans also do not have to worry about mass incarcerations and racial profiling. Laci Green does a fantastic job a breaking all of these down: https://youtu.be/h_hx30zOi9I https://youtu.be/h_hx30zOi9I
  - McDoku 11y ago
    Abraham Lincoln said, “A house divided against itself cannot stand.”
falsestprophet 11y ago
There are 27 million white/European Americans of Hispanic descent in the United States today. There are over 200 million white people and over 4.5 million Asian people living in Latin America. Do you mean Latinos of descent other than European and Asian?
mixmastamyk 11y ago
> Hispanic is a term that originally denoted a relationship to ancient Hispania (Iberian Peninsula).... Brazilians are a good example of Latinos who are not Hispanic. Weird to focus there. Portugal was part of Hispania and is part of the Iberian Peninsula, just like the rest of their descendants in the Americas.
McDoku 11y ago
Red River Metis here. We look white to dark... but we have a very similar history of generational abuse by the Canadian government. If anyone has read April Rain Tree. Well that was a Metis author. You can't judge a book by its cover. So I get being held two steps back and what trauma does to opportunity. I think there are better ways to support experience specific generational understanding/education with then segregated environments.
iksnyrk 11y ago
Curious to see if you think there is an Asian privilege as well? Asians make more, get better jobs, get better grades, commit less crime than white people. What about our system makes it so easy for Asian people to succeed?

mwseibel 11y ago

You are correct - we should have used the word Latino

tcdent 11y ago

I'm curious what privileges you perceive, or know to be true, for non-minorities. I absolutely agree there is a problem. I've heard many first-hand accounts of violence and disrespect from all races. I'm interested in a solution that doesn't just take the labels from a pie chart and reinforce the dividing lines between what ultimately is one group.

tptacek 11y ago
Example: I have an African American neighbor one block over that I see regularly. He works in IT/devops. Like every IT person, he gets yelled at by random people at work all the time; it's a high-stress job. But when he gets visibly frustrated, he's The Angry Black Man. Dipshit coworkers complain that they don't feel safe. It is an example of a white male privilege that being frustrated and swearing at your computer screen is unlikely to result in a white male being put on a PIP for having a "threatening demeanor". There are probably hundreds of things like this.
- tcdent 11y ago
  That's really interesting. It sounds like that is very much a symptom of ingrained racism; something these people have been encouraged to do for most of their lives. I grew up in a pretty diverse neighborhood, so I know the people to fear are not divided along racial lines. Someone who came from a wealthier area would probably not have that opportunity. To the point I made elsewhere on this page, does a program like this help to reduce that perception of inferiority, or just get people riled up about someone getting a perceived handout? If the problem really is circumstantial, education seems like the obvious solution to me. In your specific example, the symptoms are fear driven; the more diverse experiences someone has, they more they will see how little there really is to fear. Travel is one of those obvious things that reduces bigotry.
  - tptacek 11y ago
    The idea behind the phone call is that it welcomes people into the field. If we want to couch these issues in the emotions of the victims, rather than the (often inadvertent) perpetrators, then yes: it's mostly about ameliorating "fear". I don't know that we need much psychoanalysis, though. Mostly what YC is doing is just neighborly common sense. Bluntly: people getting "riled up" about "perceived handouts" are complaining in bad faith, and their opinions shouldn't be taken into account. The 20 minute phone call YC is offering today is the least of the excuses people could generate about the persecution of the majority. If it's not this, it's something else.
    - cperciva 11y ago
      I don't think it's necessarily accurate to say that people are complaining in bad faith. They might just be wrong.
- 001sky 11y ago
  Implicit trust is how to decode 'white privledge' quickly. Point being that it is something to take for granted, unless you have to establish it (or pay for the privledge). But it is very necessary in tech where alot happens by way of informal networking & referrals and lots of heuristic social screening comes into play (buy necessity, not malice). So those who have implicit trust are at a huge advantage (or at least an even playing field). And those that don't are on the ooposite end of that (battling uphill, etc).
  - tptacek 11y ago
    Another example that should be nearer to the hearts of anti-YC partisans: the "looking for people that look like Zuckerberg" bias Paul Graham accidentally evoked a few years back.
- yummyfajitas 11y ago
  As a large white man, similar things have happened to me. "Can we have this conversation in the stairwell so I can stand 2 steps down and make you feel comfortable?" <- actual thing I've had to say and do with a crazy female coworker There may be some racial bias here (I don't have enough reliable data to have much of an opinion), but don't think majorities are immune.
  - waterlesscloud 11y ago
    I've had similar as well. Literally had managers tell me I can't express anger the way others do because it was intimidating when I did it. Size matters as much as anything in that kind of situation. At one job, I regularly interacted with a man who was larger than me and often angry. He was a few inches taller and 70-80 pounds heavier. He'd had a couple people threaten him with going to management for official notice when he got angry. I ended up dealing with him because I sort of understood how he felt about all that, so I'd just let his anger wash off my back. I knew he wasn't actually threatening. But it did give be the perspective of seeing someone larger than me who was angry, which was something I hadn't encountered as an adult. I could then see where others were coming from as well.
    - stephen_cagle 11y ago
      I actually think that is kind of interesting. As a 5'9'' guy, it aint a problem, but it is interesting. It reminds me of a character in the `Tale of Alvin Maker` series by Orson Scott Card. Forgot the characters name, but he was basically a bully and a 'sadist'. He had a sort of geasa placed on him as a baby, so that he never really got hurt. Anyway, he looses it, and suddenly is hurt badly. He suddenly understands what it was like for the people he was hurting. It wasn't really that he was a bad person, it was just that he had never experienced pain himself. It was enlightening when I read it as a teenager. Is it possible to really empathize until you experience something yourself? Don't know. BTW, I am not in any way implying you are a bully or sadist. :) Just saying it is interesting that you had a earnestly hard time understanding why other people felt threatened until... The exact same thing happened to you! Some human experiences are very hard to communicate, they seem to only be learned through direct experience.
- copperred 11y ago
  "It is an example of a white male privilege" No it is not. You cannot point to poor treatment of one group as evidence of the "privilege" of another group. There are more than two colors of people.
  - nostrademons 11y ago
    Isn't that precisely what privilege means? Having advantages that accrue to you simply by membership in one group? There are degrees of privilege, too. I'm not white - I'm multiracial white/Asian, though I look basically Asian. I'm also not a Stanford grad, and my parents weren't millionaires. However, I grew up middle-class in a reasonably affluent suburb, my parents stayed married, they were highly educated, and I'm not black or Hispanic. These are all privileges; they are unearned advantages that I obtained through circumstances before my birth. That I'm not white and can't call up a VC to get them to fund my company doesn't make me unprivileged; it makes me less privileged than certain 1-in-a-million individuals.
    - deleted 11y ago
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    - mc32 11y ago
      What I read in that is that we can say Argentinians are privileged vs Paraguayans, because due to circumstance beyond anyone's control, Argentines are better off than Paraguayans. Same for Greeks vs Swedes?
      - nostrademons 11y ago
        Fair assessment, I think. I don't know anything about the specific situations in those countries, but privilege is very frequently used in referring to say, coming from the U.S. vs. the rest of the world, or developed nations rather than developing nations.
    - getfitroxana 11y ago
      Okay, and when are we gonna talk about Jewish privilege? Because they get all the benefits of white privilege when they're white-passing, PLUS the benefits of being Jewish! http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4099803,00.html http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4099803,00.html (Ynetnews is an Israeli paper, by the way) "Since the mass immigration some 100 years ago, Jews have become richest religious group in American society. They make up only 2% of US population, but 25% of 400 wealthiest Americans. How did it happen, and how crucial is their aid to Israel?" Hmmm...
- ebfe 11y ago
  Ok, let's carry this logic- the same disparity exists between men and women. Would you describe women who don't feel safe around their visibly angry coworkers as "dipshits", and dismiss this anger as venting? This must be an example of female privilege, right?
  - OrwellianChild 11y ago
    You're reading this backwards... The privilege part is that the Angry White Man doesn't get called out for raging much of the time. They get latitude. The black guy doesn't.
    - ebfe 11y ago
      Right. So the fact that the Angry White Woman doesn't get called out for raging much of the time, while the man does, is an example of female privilege. Right?
      - dragonwriter 11y ago
        Sex differences of this type can be seen as privilege, but, in the real world, women who show strong emotion are often described as being hysterical or with other negative terms and marginalized while men are described as driven go-getters for the same behavior, and rewarded.
        geebee 11y ago
        I'm not sure men who show strong emotion are necessarily viewed as go-getters. Strong emotions can get men in plenty of trouble. I remember CW Nevius at sfgate (San Francisco chronicle) offered this perspective http://blog.sfgate.com/cwnevius/2013/11/21/aggressive-womenaggressive-men-another-view/ http://blog.sfgate.com/cwnevius/2013/11/21/aggressive-womena...
bakhy 11y ago
why do you think the lines are the problem? certainly, race is a thing. the problem is IMO in the asymmetry of power and opportunity between the slices of the pie chart. that races exist is undeniable, but racism does not stem just from acknowledging the existence of the variety of human race.
lbotos 11y ago
I'm white. I was once 14. I used to bring in all kinds of hacked together computer things to my high school all the time. I'd even bring in a soldering iron and solder at lunch. I was never arrested or questioned or considered a threat. Ahmed Mohammed was considered a threat. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34266389 http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34266389
- balls187 11y ago
  > I'm white. I was once 14. When was this? I also was once 14, and I look like my name should be Ahmed Mohammed. I too also brought in crazy stuff to school. I was never considered a threat. Ofc this was 1994, and that was well before mass school shootings, and 9/11 (however it was during the height of gang violence and so any perceived gang affiliation was dealt with in similar manner).
  - lbotos 11y ago
    Post 9/11
- BurningFrog 11y ago
  The sample size and selection of this survey of you and an internet celebrity renders it scientifically useless.
- copperred 11y ago
  Not white privilege, but profiling of Ahmed.
balls187 11y ago
> I'm curious what privileges you perceive, or know to be true, for non-minorities. * Innocent until proven guilty (See driving while black) * Citizenship is rarely, if ever, questioned * Friendly relationship with Law Enforcement/Authority * Better health care[1] 1: http://www.nbcnews.com/health/kids-health/black-kids-get-less-pain-medication-white-kids-er-n427056 http://www.nbcnews.com/health/kids-health/black-kids-get-les...
- balls187 11y ago
  * Less likely to be assumed a criminal, drug user, or other lower ranking member of society * Less likely to die of curable diseases * Lesser prison sentences for the same crimes committed by minorities. * Less likely to get passed over for a job interview * Easier time dating
  - balls187 11y ago
    * raise interest rates * Until recently be a credible candidate for president of the us
    - Mz 11y ago
      * Have a speech impediment and not be held back, even from high office like president of the us. (I have rebutted arguments that "It isn't racist to discriminate against blacks for having the black accent because it just proves they are uneducated and inarticulate" by saying "George W. Bush. If articulate speech is really the criteria, how did he ever get to be president? And if we can hire an inarticulate white guy but not an inarticulate black guy, then something in there is still racist somehow, no?")
djtriptych 11y ago
Racism happens in people's hearts and minds, not in policy. Fixing racism means fixing hearts and minds. Calling us "one group" diminishes the value of diversity, which is more or less a fact of nature. We are NOT all the same. Cultural intelligence is a thing. Anyway the specific problem with your race-blind view is that throughout American history we have employed race-sighted policy at every level of government to ensure peril for certain minorities. Correcting those efforts is an _active_ process of reaching out to the historically disadvantaged who, it can be proven, continue to feel the negative effects of racist American _policy_. Is that a more reasonable argument?
- johnathanNYC 11y ago
  I completely disagree with this, but can you elaborate on racism not being in policy. I think you are confusing systemic racism (in regards to white privilege) with slurs, discrimination, hating someone's skin color, etc.
  - djtriptych 11y ago
    I mean it's possible to have ideally equitable policy and do almost nothing to address the root causes of racism.
    - poppysan 11y ago
      It's also possible to have policy that is intended to stifle, or harm a specific race. I mean Jim Crow laws were less than half a century ago. It's a shame that we have to debate this in 2015...
johnathanNYC 11y ago
At a high level; wealth, education and jobs which is easily afforded due to 400 years of slavery, 100 years of blatant discrimination and 50+ years discrimination built into the American Justice System. White Americans also do not have to worry about mass incarcerations and racial profiling. Laci Green does a fantastic job a breaking all of these down: https://youtu.be/h_hx30zOi9I https://youtu.be/h_hx30zOi9I
- McDoku 11y ago
  Abraham Lincoln said, “A house divided against itself cannot stand.”

falsestprophet 11y ago

There are 27 million white/European Americans of Hispanic descent in the United States today. There are over 200 million white people and over 4.5 million Asian people living in Latin America. Do you mean Latinos of descent other than European and Asian?

mixmastamyk 11y ago

> Hispanic is a term that originally denoted a relationship to ancient Hispania (Iberian Peninsula).... Brazilians are a good example of Latinos who are not Hispanic. Weird to focus there. Portugal was part of Hispania and is part of the Iberian Peninsula, just like the rest of their descendants in the Americas.

McDoku 11y ago

Red River Metis here. We look white to dark... but we have a very similar history of generational abuse by the Canadian government. If anyone has read April Rain Tree. Well that was a Metis author. You can't judge a book by its cover. So I get being held two steps back and what trauma does to opportunity. I think there are better ways to support experience specific generational understanding/education with then segregated environments.

iksnyrk 11y ago

Curious to see if you think there is an Asian privilege as well? Asians make more, get better jobs, get better grades, commit less crime than white people. What about our system makes it so easy for Asian people to succeed?