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> we don't need University of Phoenix brought to elementary schools. I realize that from your perspective, the world if full of imbeciles ... but just for a se

by maratd 11y ago

> we don't need University of Phoenix brought to elementary schools. I realize that from your perspective, the world if full of imbeciles ... but just for a second, consider that {insert for-profit college name} is providing a service that people want and that's why people are choosing it. Those people don't care how the money they are paying is divvied up afterward. Whether it goes into the pocket of some administrator or a sports program at a non-profit institution, or into the pocket of some CEO or shareholder at a for-profit one. They are getting something they want and that's all they care about. If we had an education system that as a whole, gave people what they wanted, we would all be better off.

justizin 11y ago
> If we had an education system that as a whole, gave people what they wanted, we would all be better off. Because a teacher's job is customer service and the customer is always right? ;)
- maratd 11y ago
  > Because a teacher's job is customer service and the customer is always right? ;) Yes? Good customer service is making sure the customer walks away happy in the long-term. Sometimes you do that by giving homework and tests. They might be miserable in the moment, but they'll be happy in the long-term. Viewing students as customers may not be ideal, but it's certainly better than seeing them as a burden.
shkkmo 11y ago
> but just for a second, consider that {insert for-profit college name} is providing a service that people want and that's why people are choosing it. Are you aware of how extremely predatory many of these for-profit colleges have been? Their students aren't getting something they want. I don't disagree with vouchers in general, but you can't just ignore the risks when using public funds to have private institution provide education.
- maratd 11y ago
  > Are you aware of how extremely predatory many of these for-profit colleges have been? Their students aren't getting something they want. I don't know what this statement means. If you're suggesting that people attend these institutions and then aren't able to find work in that field, I would say that's true of many other institutions as well. Those majoring in English in a standard non-profit college aren't likely to become authors or English teachers. Those going to law school aren't likely to become lawyers. So what?
  - tbrownaw 11y ago
    I'm taking it as an accusation of false/misleading advertising.
  - shkkmo 11y ago
    Try using google. This isn't a controversial statement or hard to find reporting on: http://www.consumerfinance.gov/newsroom/cfpb-sues-for-profit-corinthian-colleges-for-predatory-lending-scheme/ http://www.consumerfinance.gov/newsroom/cfpb-sues-for-profit... >The Bureau alleges that Corinthian lured tens of thousands of students to take out private loans to cover expensive tuition costs by advertising bogus job prospects and career services. Corinthian then used illegal debt collection tactics to strong-arm students into paying back those loans while still in school. > Corinthian Colleges, Inc. is one of the largest for-profit, post-secondary education companies in the United States. The publicly traded company has more than 100 school campuses across the country. The company operates schools under the names Everest, Heald, and WyoTech. As of last March, the company had approximately 74,000 students.

by maratd 11y ago

justizin 11y ago

> If we had an education system that as a whole, gave people what they wanted, we would all be better off. Because a teacher's job is customer service and the customer is always right? ;)

maratd 11y ago
> Because a teacher's job is customer service and the customer is always right? ;) Yes? Good customer service is making sure the customer walks away happy in the long-term. Sometimes you do that by giving homework and tests. They might be miserable in the moment, but they'll be happy in the long-term. Viewing students as customers may not be ideal, but it's certainly better than seeing them as a burden.

shkkmo 11y ago

> but just for a second, consider that {insert for-profit college name} is providing a service that people want and that's why people are choosing it. Are you aware of how extremely predatory many of these for-profit colleges have been? Their students aren't getting something they want. I don't disagree with vouchers in general, but you can't just ignore the risks when using public funds to have private institution provide education.

maratd 11y ago
> Are you aware of how extremely predatory many of these for-profit colleges have been? Their students aren't getting something they want. I don't know what this statement means. If you're suggesting that people attend these institutions and then aren't able to find work in that field, I would say that's true of many other institutions as well. Those majoring in English in a standard non-profit college aren't likely to become authors or English teachers. Those going to law school aren't likely to become lawyers. So what?
- tbrownaw 11y ago
  I'm taking it as an accusation of false/misleading advertising.
- shkkmo 11y ago
  Try using google. This isn't a controversial statement or hard to find reporting on: http://www.consumerfinance.gov/newsroom/cfpb-sues-for-profit-corinthian-colleges-for-predatory-lending-scheme/ http://www.consumerfinance.gov/newsroom/cfpb-sues-for-profit... >The Bureau alleges that Corinthian lured tens of thousands of students to take out private loans to cover expensive tuition costs by advertising bogus job prospects and career services. Corinthian then used illegal debt collection tactics to strong-arm students into paying back those loans while still in school. > Corinthian Colleges, Inc. is one of the largest for-profit, post-secondary education companies in the United States. The publicly traded company has more than 100 school campuses across the country. The company operates schools under the names Everest, Heald, and WyoTech. As of last March, the company had approximately 74,000 students.