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Honestly, I don't know that Jobs could have made a clock. Woz could have made one that calculated primes and rendered vector graphics, though.

jameshart 11y ago
Here's Jobs in his high school electronics club: http://www.computerhistory.org/atchm//wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Steve-Jobs-Homestead.jpg http://www.computerhistory.org/atchm//wp-content/uploads/201... But yeah, I mean, I'm sure he was just there to tell them to use rounded corners on the circuit diagrams and meet girls. Just cos Woz was the nerd's nerd, let's not crap on Jobs too much - he was geeky enough to hang out with Woz, that should be good enough for everyone else, right?
- logfromblammo 11y ago
  Not for me. I propose a hypothetical test. In this test, the subject to be tested is socializing with his or her normal social circle. During this activity, a potential romantic interest interrupts, and proposes that they go out on a date with the subject, immediately. Responses are classified as follows. A: the subject leaves the gathering for the date. B: the subject declines the date. C: the subject counter-offers that the romantic interest join the existing social gathering in lieu of a date. I propose that a true nerd's nerd would never choose response A. Geek Night is sacrosanct. And if you bring a date, they had better bring their own deck/controller/dice/pawn. I think Jobs would have failed that test. It's not just about hanging out with nerds, but actually preferring their company to non-nerds. How many of the people in that photo did Jobs stay in contact with after he became Mr. Big? How many did he materially share his success with?
  - wcummings 11y ago
    If this is really how you see the world, I pity you. Grow up, this is puerile identity politics at its best.
    - callum85 11y ago
      I thought the above comment was funny and harmless. Why so harsh?
      - logfromblammo 11y ago
        Don't worry about it. I rolled a 16 on my accept criticism check. According to the table, I shed a single tear, that slowly rolled down my cheek, then I got over it forever.~
  - mynameisvlad 11y ago
    > How many did he materially share his success with? I didn't realize that nerds had to suddenly share their success with their nerdy friends to qualify nowadays.
    - logfromblammo 11y ago
      You should share your failures with your friends, too. Not to the same extent. A wealth differential can become a strain on a friendship. Some people who suddenly become wealthy reconvene their former social group as an entourage to overcome it. Others just drift away from their old friends and make new friends. If you had more money than everyone else you already knew, combined, would you feel any obligation to do anything to make their lives better? It doesn't even have to be anything big. If I were CEO of Apple, I think I would, at the least, give away copies of the major hardware product releases to my oldest friends just before launch day, with prepaid support. You don't need to hand out cushy sinecures, but those are fine, too, provided it's from your personal bankroll, and not your company's. I certainly wouldn't shut down my company's existing philanthropic programs, and never leave any public trace of charitable giving whatsoever. Hell, I'm not even rich, and I put $500 into an old high school friend's first Kickstarter project. If I had more to contribute, I would have contributed more. It may not be an absolute quality all nerds need to have, but some generosity towards friends and family is a requirement for me, specifically, to like someone. Gifting etiquette varies by person, even within the same culture, but I expect rich people to give to charities and put their names on museum galleries and hospital wings and university buildings and zoo habitats and park playground equipment. I also expect them to show up to award ceremonies and accept their mantelpiece trophies with good grace and concise speeches. That's what lets the rest of us know they are not completely self-absorbed assholes. When your success rests upon so many people that you cannot possibly thank each of them personally for their support, that's how you show gratitude to "the public".
Shorel 11y ago
He was a nerd as well. It's just that the Woz vastly outnerded most people of his generation and they managed to meet.

jameshart 11y ago

Here's Jobs in his high school electronics club: http://www.computerhistory.org/atchm//wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Steve-Jobs-Homestead.jpg http://www.computerhistory.org/atchm//wp-content/uploads/201... But yeah, I mean, I'm sure he was just there to tell them to use rounded corners on the circuit diagrams and meet girls. Just cos Woz was the nerd's nerd, let's not crap on Jobs too much - he was geeky enough to hang out with Woz, that should be good enough for everyone else, right?

logfromblammo 11y ago
Not for me. I propose a hypothetical test. In this test, the subject to be tested is socializing with his or her normal social circle. During this activity, a potential romantic interest interrupts, and proposes that they go out on a date with the subject, immediately. Responses are classified as follows. A: the subject leaves the gathering for the date. B: the subject declines the date. C: the subject counter-offers that the romantic interest join the existing social gathering in lieu of a date. I propose that a true nerd's nerd would never choose response A. Geek Night is sacrosanct. And if you bring a date, they had better bring their own deck/controller/dice/pawn. I think Jobs would have failed that test. It's not just about hanging out with nerds, but actually preferring their company to non-nerds. How many of the people in that photo did Jobs stay in contact with after he became Mr. Big? How many did he materially share his success with?
- wcummings 11y ago
  If this is really how you see the world, I pity you. Grow up, this is puerile identity politics at its best.
  - callum85 11y ago
    I thought the above comment was funny and harmless. Why so harsh?
    - logfromblammo 11y ago
      Don't worry about it. I rolled a 16 on my accept criticism check. According to the table, I shed a single tear, that slowly rolled down my cheek, then I got over it forever.~
- mynameisvlad 11y ago
  > How many did he materially share his success with? I didn't realize that nerds had to suddenly share their success with their nerdy friends to qualify nowadays.
  - logfromblammo 11y ago
    You should share your failures with your friends, too. Not to the same extent. A wealth differential can become a strain on a friendship. Some people who suddenly become wealthy reconvene their former social group as an entourage to overcome it. Others just drift away from their old friends and make new friends. If you had more money than everyone else you already knew, combined, would you feel any obligation to do anything to make their lives better? It doesn't even have to be anything big. If I were CEO of Apple, I think I would, at the least, give away copies of the major hardware product releases to my oldest friends just before launch day, with prepaid support. You don't need to hand out cushy sinecures, but those are fine, too, provided it's from your personal bankroll, and not your company's. I certainly wouldn't shut down my company's existing philanthropic programs, and never leave any public trace of charitable giving whatsoever. Hell, I'm not even rich, and I put $500 into an old high school friend's first Kickstarter project. If I had more to contribute, I would have contributed more. It may not be an absolute quality all nerds need to have, but some generosity towards friends and family is a requirement for me, specifically, to like someone. Gifting etiquette varies by person, even within the same culture, but I expect rich people to give to charities and put their names on museum galleries and hospital wings and university buildings and zoo habitats and park playground equipment. I also expect them to show up to award ceremonies and accept their mantelpiece trophies with good grace and concise speeches. That's what lets the rest of us know they are not completely self-absorbed assholes. When your success rests upon so many people that you cannot possibly thank each of them personally for their support, that's how you show gratitude to "the public".

Shorel 11y ago

He was a nerd as well. It's just that the Woz vastly outnerded most people of his generation and they managed to meet.