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I'm sure it's always diatribe when you don't agree. "Asking for trouble" is what I mean. The default processes in the USA are not what I'm talking about, but e

by exodust 11y ago

I'm sure it's always diatribe when you don't agree. "Asking for trouble" is what I mean. The default processes in the USA are not what I'm talking about, but everyone here is defending his "right to be creative". Nobody is saying "hang on, he put a clock in a case, brought it to school, not part of any school project, advised not to show it around, showed it around anyway and was passive aggro when asked about it". He was asking for trouble, and got it.

MaulingMonkey 11y ago
> showed it around anyway A teacher discovered it when it beeped. I'm not sure how you've lept from that to "showed it around". EDIT: > and was passive aggro when asked about it I'm not sure where you got this from either.
- irl_zebra 11y ago
  It sounds to me like Exodust is just trying to validate preconceived notions and is unwilling to consider evidence contrary to those. Honestly, when I read the headline I was skeptical as I feel like I have been burned in the past many times by immediately siding with the 'victim.' However, this seems like a pretty clear case where one should be outraged about what happened to the student, even if one takes presumptions in favor of the school.
- exodust 11y ago
  > 'I'm not sure where you got this from either.' The police officer was quoted as saying he was "passive aggressive" when questioned about the device.
  - sirtaj 11y ago
    Haha wow, have you ever met a 14-year-old?
    - exodust 11y ago
      Yes I have. The point was that the police said he acted very differently in his video than he did when questioned. We've only seen his victim video. And finally his clock... http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/10BF6/production/_85589586_16e23342-6ce7-4c4f-b176-88d94cf667b3.jpg http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/10BF6/production/...
  - MaulingMonkey 11y ago
    > The police officer was quoted as saying he was "passive aggressive" when questioned about the device. Fair enough. One more reason not to talk to the police in the first place, I guess, on top of all this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc .
mikeash 11y ago
It makes me sad that showing off something you made can be seen as "asking for trouble."
- exodust 11y ago
  It wasn't just "something", it was a case with a timer inside and wires and circuits. His "invention" was not anything useful. The only useful function I can think of for such a device, is actually a hoax bomb for drama class. What good is a clock inside a case? I'm getting down-voted to all hell, but that's what one gets for backing one's argument in a den of trigger-happy bigot-hunters. He showed it to his engineering teacher. If he'd left it there, everything would have been okay. But he took it to English class. His mother blamed racial profiling, but does that mean his ethnicity or his religion or both? Does he practice Islam? 14 year old kids studying Islam on the side, then bringing cases packed with electronics to school, then being coy when asked about it? It adds up to trouble in anyone's language.
  - kaitai 11y ago
    I have spent a lot of time making non-useful things, including every project I've ever made with an Arduino. And what's with the "practicing Islam" thing? I was in this group where I memorized the Sermon on the Mount in junior high, in addition to going to church and doing choir. We got cookies every week. Seriously, no one thought I was getting radicalized when I "practiced" the religion of a radical Middle Easterner three times a week. Joke's on them: I got so radicalized I refused to join the church because of the hypocrisy I perceived (as a self-righteous mildly aspie junior highschooler). And we made actual explosives at school in my day.... good times.
  - mikeash 11y ago
    How is a timer with wires and circuits "not just something"? Are you implying that the fear of this device was somehow justified? The kid is 14 years old. So what if his invention isn't useful? He was enthusiastic about it and he probably learned something from it. Maybe some of his classmates could have learned that electronics aren't magical mysterious black boxes. He took the object of his enthusiasm to English class. Yes, if he had left it at showing it to the engineering teacher this whole thing wouldn't have happened, but that doesn't mean he was wrong to show it to his English class. What exactly about his behavior do you see as "asking for trouble"? Because I don't see anything that even remotely qualifies.

by exodust 11y ago

MaulingMonkey 11y ago

> showed it around anyway A teacher discovered it when it beeped. I'm not sure how you've lept from that to "showed it around". EDIT: > and was passive aggro when asked about it I'm not sure where you got this from either.

irl_zebra 11y ago
It sounds to me like Exodust is just trying to validate preconceived notions and is unwilling to consider evidence contrary to those. Honestly, when I read the headline I was skeptical as I feel like I have been burned in the past many times by immediately siding with the 'victim.' However, this seems like a pretty clear case where one should be outraged about what happened to the student, even if one takes presumptions in favor of the school.
exodust 11y ago
> 'I'm not sure where you got this from either.' The police officer was quoted as saying he was "passive aggressive" when questioned about the device.
- sirtaj 11y ago
  Haha wow, have you ever met a 14-year-old?
  - exodust 11y ago
    Yes I have. The point was that the police said he acted very differently in his video than he did when questioned. We've only seen his victim video. And finally his clock... http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/10BF6/production/_85589586_16e23342-6ce7-4c4f-b176-88d94cf667b3.jpg http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/10BF6/production/...
- MaulingMonkey 11y ago
  > The police officer was quoted as saying he was "passive aggressive" when questioned about the device. Fair enough. One more reason not to talk to the police in the first place, I guess, on top of all this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc .

mikeash 11y ago

It makes me sad that showing off something you made can be seen as "asking for trouble."

exodust 11y ago
It wasn't just "something", it was a case with a timer inside and wires and circuits. His "invention" was not anything useful. The only useful function I can think of for such a device, is actually a hoax bomb for drama class. What good is a clock inside a case? I'm getting down-voted to all hell, but that's what one gets for backing one's argument in a den of trigger-happy bigot-hunters. He showed it to his engineering teacher. If he'd left it there, everything would have been okay. But he took it to English class. His mother blamed racial profiling, but does that mean his ethnicity or his religion or both? Does he practice Islam? 14 year old kids studying Islam on the side, then bringing cases packed with electronics to school, then being coy when asked about it? It adds up to trouble in anyone's language.
- kaitai 11y ago
  I have spent a lot of time making non-useful things, including every project I've ever made with an Arduino. And what's with the "practicing Islam" thing? I was in this group where I memorized the Sermon on the Mount in junior high, in addition to going to church and doing choir. We got cookies every week. Seriously, no one thought I was getting radicalized when I "practiced" the religion of a radical Middle Easterner three times a week. Joke's on them: I got so radicalized I refused to join the church because of the hypocrisy I perceived (as a self-righteous mildly aspie junior highschooler). And we made actual explosives at school in my day.... good times.
- mikeash 11y ago
  How is a timer with wires and circuits "not just something"? Are you implying that the fear of this device was somehow justified? The kid is 14 years old. So what if his invention isn't useful? He was enthusiastic about it and he probably learned something from it. Maybe some of his classmates could have learned that electronics aren't magical mysterious black boxes. He took the object of his enthusiasm to English class. Yes, if he had left it at showing it to the engineering teacher this whole thing wouldn't have happened, but that doesn't mean he was wrong to show it to his English class. What exactly about his behavior do you see as "asking for trouble"? Because I don't see anything that even remotely qualifies.