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On behalf of all engineers

49 points by Killswitch 11y ago

daodedickinson 11y ago
You should write Hollywood; it is their electronics profiling that has everyone but engineers thinking that every homemade clock is a bomb. Why? Because every homemade clock we ever see (we only see them on TV) IS a bomb!
- daodedickinson 11y ago
  To be fair, though, I'm sure this incident will be a TV episode within 2 years.
cdnsteve 11y ago
Thank you for sharing this.
ausjke 11y ago
A real engineer probably will not say "on behalf of all engineers", nobody in this case is 100% innocent, plus don't jump into conclusion too fast at this internet age until you do know the stories from both sides fully.
- lloyd-christmas 11y ago
  A real engineer probably will not say "A real engineer probably will not say 'on behalf of all engineers'"
  - ausjke 11y ago
    the keyword is "probably" here, you seem missed that :)
    - lloyd-christmas 11y ago
      Missed it? I said it twice :)
  - daodedickinson 11y ago
    No true engineer
- ohitsdom 11y ago
  For real? What's your argument here, that it really might have been a bomb? We've already heard from both sides. Police stood by their actions.
ndespres 11y ago
"Similarly, as much as I like to criticize our New York Police Department, upon having my bag searched on the subway they understood that an electronics project is not a bomb. Unfortunately - there is one variable that I did not account for - I am white and have religious beliefs in accordance with that of the general population. What if I wasn’t?" Well, you've got your answer. I've had Arduino kits pulled out of my bag and seriously questioned. Part of white privilege is that we are usually believed when we claim it's just a science project.
thisisandyok 11y ago
In case the author of this letter sees this comment: the articles I've seen spell his name "Ahmed." It's spelled "Amed" a few times in the letter
- mach_kernel 11y ago
  You're in luck; I made the changes. My coworker let me know that this ended up on here, which is kind of surprising. Thanks!
  - Killswitch 11y ago
    You tweeted it. I submitted it. :)
ohitsdom 11y ago
Thanks for sharing the contact information. School- @IrvingISD City- @thecityofirving Chief of police- lboyd@cityofirving.org
DanielStraight 11y ago
I appreciate the effort and kudos on being proactive, but this is not an effective way of talking to someone whose mind you are hoping to change. This will be read in a positive light only by people who already agree with the author and are already upset about the situation. In the very first paragraph, the author mocks the people he's talking to ("Much to my surprise, this was not a satire article on The Onion"). Then he resorts to hyperbole ("inexplicably horrifying"), diverges from the topic at hand to get in a jab at someone else ("as much as I like to criticize our New York Police Department"), resorts to sarcasm ("Congratulations"), insults the people he's talking to ("such a severe lapse of applicable common sense"), and finally basically blames them for the downfall of a whole country ("Reading news stories like this makes me quite ashamed to be an American; I want to love my country and all that it stands for, but as long as this is the new precedent that we are setting, I can no longer do so."). This style of writing is great for riling up people who already agree with you, but it's not effective at reaching people who don't. If you want to reach someone, you need to respect them, listen, assume honesty and good intentions, focus on the issue not the individual, and all the other aphorisms you've heard about dealing with other people. It does no good to put the person you are trying to persuade on the defensive. Or in one sentence: You catch more flies with honey.
- brador 11y ago
  The goal isn't to change anyones mind. It's to rebalance the chilling effect away from the kid back to the school.
- mach_kernel 11y ago
  You are right, but it is so difficult to not be angry about what happened. I have some growing to do. I am the author of this. I feel very strongly about things like this, and I think harsh criticism is warranted, although it is a bit too ad hominem.
  - DanielStraight 11y ago
    To clarify, my intention wasn't to say that the criticism wasn't warranted, just that it wasn't the right way to phrase it as a letter to the people involved. In a blog post directed to a general audience, it wouldn't come off as harshly, but if I imagine the principal of this school opening it and reading it... it's a different story. And maybe I read it wrong and you weren't actually sending this letter and that was just a stylistic choice, but my impression was that you had actually sent (or were planning to send) this letter to the people involved, and that's where I say kudos on actually doing something about it instead of just reading about it as most people will do; I just want to try to increase the chances of them responding how we would hope they would respond. Finally, thank you for the reply and for receiving my comment in the spirit in which it was intended.
bklimt 11y ago
He's 14, not 12.

49 points by Killswitch 11y ago

You should write Hollywood; it is their electronics profiling that has everyone but engineers thinking that every homemade clock is a bomb. Why? Because every homemade clock we ever see (we only see them on TV) IS a bomb!

daodedickinson 11y ago
To be fair, though, I'm sure this incident will be a TV episode within 2 years.

cdnsteve 11y ago

Thank you for sharing this.

ausjke 11y ago

A real engineer probably will not say "on behalf of all engineers", nobody in this case is 100% innocent, plus don't jump into conclusion too fast at this internet age until you do know the stories from both sides fully.

lloyd-christmas 11y ago
A real engineer probably will not say "A real engineer probably will not say 'on behalf of all engineers'"
- ausjke 11y ago
  the keyword is "probably" here, you seem missed that :)
  - lloyd-christmas 11y ago
    Missed it? I said it twice :)
- daodedickinson 11y ago
  No true engineer
ohitsdom 11y ago
For real? What's your argument here, that it really might have been a bomb? We've already heard from both sides. Police stood by their actions.

ndespres 11y ago

"Similarly, as much as I like to criticize our New York Police Department, upon having my bag searched on the subway they understood that an electronics project is not a bomb. Unfortunately - there is one variable that I did not account for - I am white and have religious beliefs in accordance with that of the general population. What if I wasn’t?" Well, you've got your answer. I've had Arduino kits pulled out of my bag and seriously questioned. Part of white privilege is that we are usually believed when we claim it's just a science project.

thisisandyok 11y ago

In case the author of this letter sees this comment: the articles I've seen spell his name "Ahmed." It's spelled "Amed" a few times in the letter

mach_kernel 11y ago
You're in luck; I made the changes. My coworker let me know that this ended up on here, which is kind of surprising. Thanks!
- Killswitch 11y ago
  You tweeted it. I submitted it. :)

ohitsdom 11y ago

Thanks for sharing the contact information. School- @IrvingISD City- @thecityofirving Chief of police- lboyd@cityofirving.org

DanielStraight 11y ago

I appreciate the effort and kudos on being proactive, but this is not an effective way of talking to someone whose mind you are hoping to change. This will be read in a positive light only by people who already agree with the author and are already upset about the situation. In the very first paragraph, the author mocks the people he's talking to ("Much to my surprise, this was not a satire article on The Onion"). Then he resorts to hyperbole ("inexplicably horrifying"), diverges from the topic at hand to get in a jab at someone else ("as much as I like to criticize our New York Police Department"), resorts to sarcasm ("Congratulations"), insults the people he's talking to ("such a severe lapse of applicable common sense"), and finally basically blames them for the downfall of a whole country ("Reading news stories like this makes me quite ashamed to be an American; I want to love my country and all that it stands for, but as long as this is the new precedent that we are setting, I can no longer do so."). This style of writing is great for riling up people who already agree with you, but it's not effective at reaching people who don't. If you want to reach someone, you need to respect them, listen, assume honesty and good intentions, focus on the issue not the individual, and all the other aphorisms you've heard about dealing with other people. It does no good to put the person you are trying to persuade on the defensive. Or in one sentence: You catch more flies with honey.

brador 11y ago
The goal isn't to change anyones mind. It's to rebalance the chilling effect away from the kid back to the school.
mach_kernel 11y ago
You are right, but it is so difficult to not be angry about what happened. I have some growing to do. I am the author of this. I feel very strongly about things like this, and I think harsh criticism is warranted, although it is a bit too ad hominem.
- DanielStraight 11y ago
  To clarify, my intention wasn't to say that the criticism wasn't warranted, just that it wasn't the right way to phrase it as a letter to the people involved. In a blog post directed to a general audience, it wouldn't come off as harshly, but if I imagine the principal of this school opening it and reading it... it's a different story. And maybe I read it wrong and you weren't actually sending this letter and that was just a stylistic choice, but my impression was that you had actually sent (or were planning to send) this letter to the people involved, and that's where I say kudos on actually doing something about it instead of just reading about it as most people will do; I just want to try to increase the chances of them responding how we would hope they would respond. Finally, thank you for the reply and for receiving my comment in the spirit in which it was intended.

bklimt 11y ago

He's 14, not 12.