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I have kids at school and I'm actually for the responses from the teachers, yes it's overacting and could be dealt with _much_ better, but being overly alert on

by ausjke 11y ago

I have kids at school and I'm actually for the responses from the teachers, yes it's overacting and could be dealt with _much_ better, but being overly alert on this is better than ignorant. and it's better to show it at his house instead of at school for things like this I feel.

slayed0 11y ago
"things like this" Please clarify. Things that are relevant to what you are studying in school and have been approved by your teacher for you to bring into class? For someone who is speaking out against ignorance, this statement sure comes across as... ignorant.
- exodust 11y ago
  Where did you get the idea it was "approved"? Let's look at the facts... 1. His own engineering teacher "suggested that he not show the invention to other teachers." He should have listened, but... 2. During his English class the case made beeping noises. Not smart bringing it to English. 3. When questioned, he didn't explain what it was all about, and was described as playing "passive aggressive". 4. He calls it an "invention", but a digital clock in a case is not an invention. He's 14 years old, not 8. There's nothing inventive about it. 5. Admitted in the video he chose a "simple cable" to lock the case so it "wouldn't look threatening". So let's be clear, he did think about the possibility of it looking threatening, and his own teacher warned him about it. Are the pieces coming together for you? if he's smart, which apparently he is, then he should move on from clocks in cases to something that approaches an actual invention.
  - slayed0 11y ago
    "Ahmed, for his part, wanted to bring the clock to show an engineering teacher. Because it consisted of a board with a digital display and a tiger hologram on the front, the teacher recommended he hide it from the rest of the staff." This statement implies there was a conversation with the teacher before bringing it in and that the teacher told him to bring it, but to not bring it out in other classes/in front of other teachers. Your other points are not even worth replying to and border on trolling. You're upset that he didn't invent something new at 14? Building a homemade clock is too simple for his age and only 8 year olds should do it? This is one of the most insane posts I've ever seen on HN.
DannyBee 11y ago
"but being overly alert on this is better than ignorant." Please cite any evidence that this is true in practice. Seriously. The long-term cost to treating kids like this is probably vastly higher than any possible damage caused by the threats. (IE i would even expect it causes more kids to die younger over time) Humans are very good at significantly overestimating the risks they can easily reason about, and significantly underestimate the ones they can't.
nickysielicki 11y ago
this mentality is insane. It's no surprise that our school systems are such shit when people actually feel there are two sides to a kid wanting to show his teacher something interesting and academic that he made.
puranjay 11y ago
A 14-year old was interrogated without notifying his parents. You don't think that's a gross violation of civil rights?
TallGuyShort 11y ago
Yeah. And the NSA should have access to all our data. You know, just to be safe.

by ausjke 11y ago

slayed0 11y ago

"things like this" Please clarify. Things that are relevant to what you are studying in school and have been approved by your teacher for you to bring into class? For someone who is speaking out against ignorance, this statement sure comes across as... ignorant.

exodust 11y ago
Where did you get the idea it was "approved"? Let's look at the facts... 1. His own engineering teacher "suggested that he not show the invention to other teachers." He should have listened, but... 2. During his English class the case made beeping noises. Not smart bringing it to English. 3. When questioned, he didn't explain what it was all about, and was described as playing "passive aggressive". 4. He calls it an "invention", but a digital clock in a case is not an invention. He's 14 years old, not 8. There's nothing inventive about it. 5. Admitted in the video he chose a "simple cable" to lock the case so it "wouldn't look threatening". So let's be clear, he did think about the possibility of it looking threatening, and his own teacher warned him about it. Are the pieces coming together for you? if he's smart, which apparently he is, then he should move on from clocks in cases to something that approaches an actual invention.
- slayed0 11y ago
  "Ahmed, for his part, wanted to bring the clock to show an engineering teacher. Because it consisted of a board with a digital display and a tiger hologram on the front, the teacher recommended he hide it from the rest of the staff." This statement implies there was a conversation with the teacher before bringing it in and that the teacher told him to bring it, but to not bring it out in other classes/in front of other teachers. Your other points are not even worth replying to and border on trolling. You're upset that he didn't invent something new at 14? Building a homemade clock is too simple for his age and only 8 year olds should do it? This is one of the most insane posts I've ever seen on HN.

DannyBee 11y ago

"but being overly alert on this is better than ignorant." Please cite any evidence that this is true in practice. Seriously. The long-term cost to treating kids like this is probably vastly higher than any possible damage caused by the threats. (IE i would even expect it causes more kids to die younger over time) Humans are very good at significantly overestimating the risks they can easily reason about, and significantly underestimate the ones they can't.

nickysielicki 11y ago

this mentality is insane. It's no surprise that our school systems are such shit when people actually feel there are two sides to a kid wanting to show his teacher something interesting and academic that he made.

puranjay 11y ago

A 14-year old was interrogated without notifying his parents. You don't think that's a gross violation of civil rights?

TallGuyShort 11y ago

Yeah. And the NSA should have access to all our data. You know, just to be safe.