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> If you don't know how to make a clock, you won't know how to make a time bomb" is their reasoning Do you have any sources to back up that claim? It this rea

by vog 11y ago

> If you don't know how to make a clock, you won't know how to make a time bomb" is their reasoning Do you have any sources to back up that claim? It this really their line of thinking? Or did you just deduce this from their actions, i.e. that they seem to think that way?

x5n1 11y ago
In law there is a thing called mens rea. They should look that up.
- Someone1234 11y ago
  Which does actually apply in this case: http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/txstatutes/PE/10/46/46.08 http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/txstatutes/PE/10/46/46.08 They need to show intent. They cannot just show that others were in fear. So it seems like they don't have a legitimate case, although "the ride" is often used to get guilty pleas out of otherwise innocent people (i.e. they would lock the kid up pending trial, delay trial, the parents may not be able to afford lawyer fees, so he might plead down to a lesser charge to get out even if the original charge is complete nonsense). That is pretty standard fare for the US legal system these days. 95% plea rates, 7 minutes of public defender time on average per client, and so on and so forth.
elorant 11y ago
It's supposed to be sarcastic.
userbinator 11y ago
Sorry if I was unclear; I mean that's what they seem to be doing. That's why I prefaced my comment with "apparently".
radiorental 11y ago
Yes, it is unfortunately. The kid couldn't explain why he just made a clock to show his teachers. So their assumption is that anyone making an electronic device must be up to no good. "Irving police might still charge Ahmed with making a "hoax bomb." Police spokesperson James McLellan said Ahmed "kept maintaining it was a clock" when he was brought in for interrogation, but that he offered "no broader explanation."" Somewhat related, for a little sense of perspective. I studied E/E in Northern Ireland in the early 90's. I was regularly stopped by armed British Soldiers and searched. Invariably I have some half finished project in my bag. Could easily be passed off as bomb material. All it took was a simple explanation and I was on my way in 5 minutes. This was a place where actual bombs were being set off on a weekly basis. But, the 'keep calm and carry on' mentality is what persevered. The US seems like it's becoming more of a Police State than N.I. ever was.
- goatforce5 11y ago
  About 10 years ago I was heading to a client meeting and was about to enter the 'Ring of Steel'[0] area in the City of London. I checked twice before crossing the road and a nearby cop car spun around and stopped me saying I had done a double-take when I saw them and they needed to search me. Turns out the client I was off to see was a porn magazine and I have a bunch of their product in my bag. The nice police officer didn't even blink when she saw that. Perhaps everyone i the City is carrying around lots of porn with them in the middle of the day? 0 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_of_steel_(London) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_of_steel_(London)
TheCapn 11y ago
These topics bring the tin foil wearers out in droves. No, the government isn't cracking down on the intelligence of youth, it requires it to progress and grow. I don't recall any black SUVs outside my door when I built an alarm clock that had selective electronic outputs for my school project. Hell, my teachers docked marks because I didn't take it far enough and they felt I could add more features and better design.
- scrumper 11y ago
  You're contradicting yourself there. When you were young, it was fine. This chap does basically the exact same thing, and he's arrested.
  - eropple 11y ago
    If my 17-year-old brother did the same thing, he wouldn't be arrested. But my 17-year-old brother doesn't live under a racist cloud of "probably a terrorist."

by vog 11y ago

x5n1 11y ago

In law there is a thing called mens rea. They should look that up.

Someone1234 11y ago
Which does actually apply in this case: http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/txstatutes/PE/10/46/46.08 http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/txstatutes/PE/10/46/46.08 They need to show intent. They cannot just show that others were in fear. So it seems like they don't have a legitimate case, although "the ride" is often used to get guilty pleas out of otherwise innocent people (i.e. they would lock the kid up pending trial, delay trial, the parents may not be able to afford lawyer fees, so he might plead down to a lesser charge to get out even if the original charge is complete nonsense). That is pretty standard fare for the US legal system these days. 95% plea rates, 7 minutes of public defender time on average per client, and so on and so forth.

elorant 11y ago

It's supposed to be sarcastic.

userbinator 11y ago

Sorry if I was unclear; I mean that's what they seem to be doing. That's why I prefaced my comment with "apparently".

radiorental 11y ago

Yes, it is unfortunately. The kid couldn't explain why he just made a clock to show his teachers. So their assumption is that anyone making an electronic device must be up to no good. "Irving police might still charge Ahmed with making a "hoax bomb." Police spokesperson James McLellan said Ahmed "kept maintaining it was a clock" when he was brought in for interrogation, but that he offered "no broader explanation."" Somewhat related, for a little sense of perspective. I studied E/E in Northern Ireland in the early 90's. I was regularly stopped by armed British Soldiers and searched. Invariably I have some half finished project in my bag. Could easily be passed off as bomb material. All it took was a simple explanation and I was on my way in 5 minutes. This was a place where actual bombs were being set off on a weekly basis. But, the 'keep calm and carry on' mentality is what persevered. The US seems like it's becoming more of a Police State than N.I. ever was.

goatforce5 11y ago
About 10 years ago I was heading to a client meeting and was about to enter the 'Ring of Steel'[0] area in the City of London. I checked twice before crossing the road and a nearby cop car spun around and stopped me saying I had done a double-take when I saw them and they needed to search me. Turns out the client I was off to see was a porn magazine and I have a bunch of their product in my bag. The nice police officer didn't even blink when she saw that. Perhaps everyone i the City is carrying around lots of porn with them in the middle of the day? 0 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_of_steel_(London) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_of_steel_(London)

TheCapn 11y ago

These topics bring the tin foil wearers out in droves. No, the government isn't cracking down on the intelligence of youth, it requires it to progress and grow. I don't recall any black SUVs outside my door when I built an alarm clock that had selective electronic outputs for my school project. Hell, my teachers docked marks because I didn't take it far enough and they felt I could add more features and better design.

scrumper 11y ago
You're contradicting yourself there. When you were young, it was fine. This chap does basically the exact same thing, and he's arrested.
- eropple 11y ago
  If my 17-year-old brother did the same thing, he wouldn't be arrested. But my 17-year-old brother doesn't live under a racist cloud of "probably a terrorist."